Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find

[Holly Goodhead]

It seems to me one of the main determining factors is land mass v population.  I guess its fairly obvious that countries with high density populations will fare better in producing a find than those with low density populations.  The latter indicative of countries with large uninhabited areas. 

As an example:

Disappeared Child    Country      Density Population KM2        Discovered   Rank

1. Beaumont children             Aus                   3                                              N                          192

2. Azaria Chamberlin              Aus                   3                                              N                          192

3. Keith Bennett                     Eng                  274                                           N                            32

4. Sarah Payne                      Eng                   274                                           Y                             32

5. Karen Hadaway                 Eng                    274                                           Y                             32

6. Nicola Fellows                   Eng                    274                                           Y                              32

9. Madeleine McCann             Por                    112                                           N                             73

8. Ben Needham                   Kos                    81                                             N                             97

9. Jennifer Klein                    US                     34                                             N                            146

10. Joanna Cipriano               POR                   112                                           N                             73

11. Rui Pedro                       POR                    112                                           N                             73

12. Rene Hasee                    POR                    112                                           N                             73

NOTES:

1. Keith Bennett is an anomaly but we know his body is undiscovered on The Moors

3, 4, 5 children disappeared and discovered within England but figs are for whole of UK

8. disappeared from the Greek island of Kos but figs are for whole of Greece

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

 

[Vertigo Swirl]

You might like to add Joana Cipriano to your list as well as Rui Pedro, both disappeared in Portugal never to be found again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

And Rene Hasee

[Vertigo Swirl]

The population density of the Algarve is 90 per sq km btw.

[Angelo222]

You might like to add Joana Cipriano to your list as well as Rui Pedro, both disappeared in Portugal never to be found again.

Actually Joana was murdered by her uncle. The only reason she disappeared was because he claimed to have fed her remains to the pigs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Actually Joana was murdered by her uncle. The only reason she disappeared was because he claimed to have fed her remains to the pigs.

She remains missing, no forensic trace of her has ever been discovered to prove her death and there is evidence to suggest that her mother and uncle have been the victims of a serious miscarriage of justice. 

[Holly Goodhead]

The population density of the Algarve is 90 per sq km btw.

Where are you getting your figs from?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Where are you getting your figs from?

Wikipedia.   I don't dispute your figures, just saying that the population of the Algarve is lower than for the whole of Portugal.

[Mr Gray]

Actually Joana was murdered by her uncle. The only reason she disappeared was because he claimed to have fed her remains to the pigs.

There is no proof she is dead... She was found guilty on a judgement of 2 to 1...so her parents, are convicted murderers but it's not proven beyond all doubt that they actually murdered her

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is no proof she is dead... She was found guilty on a judgement of 2 to 1...so her parents, are convicted murderers but it's not proven beyond all doubt that they actually murdered her

Whether it was proven or not she deserves to be on the list, as does Keith Bennett who we know was murdered by Ian Brady.

[Angelo222]

There is no proof she is dead... She was found guilty on a judgement of 2 to 1...so her parents, are convicted murderers but it's not proven beyond all doubt that they actually murdered her

Her parents didn't murder her. The only reason her mother was convicted was because she was complicit in the cover-up involving her brother.  In any event, off topic!!

[faithlilly]

It seems to me one of the main determining factors is land mass v population.  I guess its fairly obvious that countries with high density populations will fare better in producing a find than those with low density populations.  The latter indicative of countries with large uninhabited areas. 

As an example:

Disappeared Child    Country      Density Population KM2        Discovered   Rank

1. Beaumont children             Aus                   3                                              N                          192

2. Azaria Chamberlin              Aus                   3                                              N                          192

3. Keith Bennett                     Eng                  274                                           N                            32

4. Sarah Payne                      Eng                   274                                           Y                             32

5. Karen Hadaway                 Eng                    274                                           Y                             32

6. Nicola Fellows                   Eng                    274                                           Y                              32

9. Madeleine McCann             Por                    112                                           N                             73

8. Ben Needham                   Kos                    81                                             N                             97

9. Jennifer Klein                    US                     34                                             N                            146

NOTES:

1. Keith Bennett is an anomaly but we know his body is undiscovered on The Moors

3, 4, 5 children disappeared and discovered within England but figs are for whole of UK

8. disappeared from the Greek island of Kos but figs are for whole of Greece

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

The children that have been found their bodies were not concealed to any great degree. Perhaps that is the only thing determining a find ?

[Brietta]

I believe of the more important aspects of recovering a disappeared child before any serious harm befalls him/her is the rapid response of the emergency services tasked with dealing with the situation.

I do not think it augurs well for the child if the authorities write them off at the start of the investigation when there is not a scintilla of evidence to justify what may have happened to them.
Deciding on 'whodunit' and looking for the evidence to fit to a suspect as opposed to finding out what actually happened to the child is not the text book way in which to progress a missing child case which is apparently the manner in which Madeleine's disappearance was dealt with.

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Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends.

Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story."

We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped.
To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.

JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

[Holly Goodhead]

The children that have been found their bodies were not concealed to any great degree. Perhaps that is the only thing determining a find ?

Impossible to say really since we have no idea whether the bodies of those undiscovered are concealed or not.  Bodies quickly decompose.   

I tend to think those that are undiscovered have disappeared in places with large areas of uninhabited land and close to water too by way of oceans and seas. 

[ShiningInLuz]

I believe of the more important aspects of recovering a disappeared child before any serious harm befalls him/her is the rapid response of the emergency services tasked with dealing with the situation.

I do not think it augurs well for the child if the authorities write them off at the start of the investigation when there is not a scintilla of evidence to justify what may have happened to them.
Deciding on 'whodunit' and looking for the evidence to fit to a suspect as opposed to finding out what actually happened to the child is not the text book way in which to progress a missing child case which is apparently the manner in which Madeleine's disappearance was dealt with.

======================================================


Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends.

Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story."

We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped.
To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.

JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

That ignores the fact that in the days immediately following the disappearance the GNR and other elements conducted a ground search to a radius of 15km from Luz.