Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?

[Holly Goodhead]

There's a debate about the science and the efficacy of dogs detecting cadaveric volatile organic compounds (VOCs) on another thread. The forensic science shows us just how useful these dogs can be.... quick let's start a new thread and try to discredit the dog handler instead.

In the Matthews case the dog alerted correctly to the presence of VOCs, and as Grime rightly points out it is then up to forensic science to tell us when, why and how a death occurred.

Grime and his dogs have an excellent record in operations. Why else would they be so highly regarded by the FBI?

What MG told PJ about his credentials in 2007 and what you're stating above is at odds with what the NPIA stated in 2009?

What evidence do you have that MG/dogs are "so highly regarded by the FBI"? 

[Eleanor]

My intention is not to slag off anyone.

Even questions can be misunderstood.

[pathfinder73]

In reality that it is not the case with organisations that have good corporate governance. 

For 2.5 decades I worked in financial services.  During the late 80's/90's I, along with others, would experience 'corporate days out' at the expense of blue chip organisations whose products needed selling!  These days involved limo pick ups, champagne from early in the morning as much as you could drink, free entry to whatever the event was, money for bets at the races, fine dining and for those inclined late night experiences 

By the time I left I would need to register a cheap bottle of plonk at Christmas or risk getting struck off.

Certainly defence lawyers at trial would have a field day with MG over this sort of thing.

That will be interesting.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

What MG told PJ about his credentials in 2007 and what you're stating above is at odds with what the NPIA stated in 2009?

What evidence do you have that MG/dogs are "so highly regarded by the FBI"?

They employed him to provide consultancy and appropiate canine resources to the FBI Laboratory Division CFSRU in relation to research being conducted into the detection of human decomposition odour and human blood. He was Special Advisor to the FBI's Canine Forensic Program.They are not likely to have done so if his work was so obviously flawed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They employed him to provide consultancy and appropiate canine resources to the FBI Laboratory Division CFSRU in relation to research being conducted into the detection of human decomposition odour and human blood. He was Special Advisor to the FBI's Canine Forensic Program.They are not likely to have done so if his work was so obviously flawed.

Do you think the FBI subjected Martin Grime and his dogs to any sort of independent testing or did they just take Grime’s word for it that Eddie was an Enhanced Recovery Dog (the only dog ever given that title afaik) and that the dogs performed flawlessly?

[pathfinder73]

What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.

"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."

[Vertigo Swirl]

What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.

"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."

Your quote does not support what you wrote.  Cite for the FBI testing Grime’s dogs prior to employing his service please.

[pathfinder73]

Read the files they trained with the FBI.

[G-Unit]

At the time MG entered 5A he was no longer employed by UK police/Home Office but operating under his own steam and selling his services for a fee?  Was there some conflict of interest here?  Who actually commissioned MG and the dogs?  Or did MG knock on PJ's door selling his services?  What sort of fee/expenses did MG receive?

Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?

Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...

I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Read the files they trained with the FBI.

Who did the training?  Who did the evaluating?

[Mr Gray]

There's a debate about the science and the efficacy of dogs detecting cadaveric volatile organic compounds (VOCs) on another thread. The forensic science shows us just how useful these dogs can be.... quick let's start a new thread and try to discredit the dog handler instead.

In the Matthews case the dog alerted correctly to the presence of VOCs, and as Grime rightly points out it is then up to forensic science to tell us when, why and how a death occurred.

Grime and his dogs have an excellent record in operations. Why else would they be so highly regarded by the FBI?

the scientist in vitro show us how useful the dogs can be ...but in vivo....its not quite the same

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?

Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...

I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

I dont think there can be any doubt that Grime was preparing to launch is new business venture whilst in PDL and used the video taken in PDL to promote his new business venture

[Holly Goodhead]

Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?

Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...

I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

Are you saying I've misunderstood?  If so, what?

[Holly Goodhead]

What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.

"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."

Did you find that quote here?

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/

[Robittybob1]

I dont think there can be any doubt that Grime was preparing to launch is new business venture whilst in PDL and used the video taken in PDL to promote his new business venture

Fair enough too.