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Offline Lace

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #90 on: July 12, 2019, 11:24:04 AM »
But one thing is for sure if the case involves an abductor (I think it does) he/she/they could not have envisaged the 'Find Madeleine Campaign' and worldwide media coverage meaning they may have had every intention of releasing MM at some stage but felt unable to do so following all the publicity.

Also if someone abducted MM to raise as their own the abductor(s) may have thought a 'normal' life was possible but again given the publicity he/she/they might have felt the only option was to keep MM hidden.

Kate made an appeal to the abductor/s   to let Madeleine go home.  To leave her in a safe place.   That wasn't done,  I don't think anything was stopping the abductor/s from leaving Madeleine some where,  though she had seen their faces and could give a description of them.

I doubt if a couple [wanting a child]   would imagine they would be able to live as a normal family at the start.  They would have known that they would have to keep Madeleine hidden from sight for a while.  Could be they went to a country where Madeleine's disappearance isn't so well known,  changed her looks and name.  IMO

Offline The General

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #91 on: July 12, 2019, 11:30:56 AM »
Kate made an appeal to the abductor/s   to let Madeleine go home.  To leave her in a safe place.   That wasn't done,  I don't think anything was stopping the abductor/s from leaving Madeleine some where,  though she had seen their faces and could give a description of them.

I doubt if a couple [wanting a child]   would imagine they would be able to live as a normal family at the start.  They would have known that they would have to keep Madeleine hidden from sight for a while.  Could be they went to a country where Madeleine's disappearance isn't so well known,  changed her looks and name.  IMO
So stolen to order, by the best abduction team going, transported successfully to her new home, then when the brown hits the fan she's relocated to a country where blonde females are ubiquitous and given a name to suit?This abduction was very specific. Magda McMagnusson does have a certain ring though, I have to say.
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Offline Lace

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #92 on: July 12, 2019, 12:40:51 PM »
So stolen to order, by the best abduction team going, transported successfully to her new home, then when the brown hits the fan she's relocated to a country where blonde females are ubiquitous and given a name to suit?This abduction was very specific. Magda McMagnusson does have a certain ring though, I have to say.

I don't believe the abduction gang was the ones who trafficked her.   They were just paid to abduct Madeleine.

Madeleine could be home schooled.  IMO
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #93 on: July 12, 2019, 12:47:13 PM »
Kate made an appeal to the abductor/s   to let Madeleine go home.  To leave her in a safe place.   That wasn't done,  I don't think anything was stopping the abductor/s from leaving Madeleine some where,  though she had seen their faces and could give a description of them.

I doubt if a couple [wanting a child]   would imagine they would be able to live as a normal family at the start.  They would have known that they would have to keep Madeleine hidden from sight for a while.  Could be they went to a country where Madeleine's disappearance isn't so well known,  changed her looks and name.  IMO

But how would they move MM out of the country without official docs: passport, birth cert?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #94 on: July 12, 2019, 12:55:01 PM »
Did the FMC before OG's inception pass any info it had to the PJ?
I'd love to know how they would handle all those calls that came in.
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Offline jassi

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #95 on: July 12, 2019, 01:18:13 PM »
But how would they move MM out of the country without official docs: passport, birth cert?

 Many of the EU countries have no border control, so crossing to another country would not be a problem.

Documents can be easily forged
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #96 on: July 12, 2019, 01:28:57 PM »
But how would they move MM out of the country without official docs: passport, birth cert?
If she was a replacement child as per my theory the parents already have legitimate documents for a daughter.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #97 on: July 12, 2019, 01:34:46 PM »
I'd love to know how they would handle all those calls that came in.

The sheer weight of info hampered the investigation into the murder of Jill Dando and in this regard appears similar to the case of MM with a mountain of irrelevant data.  Imo key to solving these cases is sorting the wheat from the chaff.   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #98 on: July 12, 2019, 01:37:37 PM »
Many of the EU countries have no border control, so crossing to another country would not be a problem.

Documents can be easily forged

By road/rail?  Would air and sea ports present a problem?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline jassi

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #99 on: July 12, 2019, 01:42:42 PM »
By road/rail?  Would air and sea ports present a problem?

Suppose it depends on where & when. Indirect flight to, say, South Africa could be made from Germany or Italy after forged paperwork had been obtained.
Obviously no problem for team of such master criminals

Alternatively sail on a private yacht somewhere in the Med and land illicitly.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #100 on: July 12, 2019, 01:48:45 PM »
Suppose it depends on where & when. Indirect flight to, say, South Africa could be made from Germany or Italy after forged paperwork had been obtained.
Obviously no problem for team of such master criminals

Alternatively sail on a private yacht somewhere in the Med and land illicitly.

I guess where there's a will there's a way. 

Light aircraft can take off and land from/in fields.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Lace

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #101 on: July 12, 2019, 06:18:38 PM »
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2019, 06:23:59 PM »
I don't know how the McCann's could have done anything any differently.    They were given a lot of money to find Madeleine,  people wanted to help,   unlike the Ben Needham case Madeleine's case went worldwide with the internet etc.    They could hardly have put the money into their own account, and being focused on one child the fund couldn't be a charity for other children.   It wasn't just the McCann's who decided on the Madeleine fund they had a lot of help with it.


As for meeting the Pope etc.   the Pope was interested in the case,  I believe it was Clarence Mitchell who organised the visit to see the Pope,  were they supposed to turn it down?       They were offered a private jet to get there which made it a lot quicker and less time away from the twins.   Everything was organised for them, it wasn't the McCann's who asked for anything.   Keeping Madeleine in the news was their goal,  which is the goal for all parents of missing children.   Ben Needham's Mum said in her book she would have done exactly what the McCann's did,  if she had been in the position they were.   Sadly for Bens mum,  there wasn't the internet when Ben disappeared.

They were warned that it would come a time when it would be all about them and not Madeleine,  and sure enough that is what happened,  I don't think they would have done anything differently though it kept people aware of Madeleine so that if they went on holiday they could look out for her,  or people could be living near to where Madeleine was and report it etc.   IMO

It does show how successful the propaganda campaign has been in some quarters.

The Charity Commission said that they would work with the parents to help them achieve charity status. Even if the extra 25% gained through being able to gift aid donations went to a wider cause there would still have been enough to run their campaign to find there daughter....in fact with so many police forces involved why did the parents even need to fund a search ? There would have been greater scrutiny of how the money was spent though and that’s something the parents wouldn’t countenance.

And no they didn’t need to meet the pope. How confusing must it have been for the twins to not only have their sister disappear on them but also their mum and dad ? Yet again the parents put their own needs before their children’s sense of security. And what has the internet got to do with it ? Would it have made SY throw money at Benn’s case in the same way as Madeleine’s ? Benn’s mum ploughed all she had into keeping her son’s name out there. I wonder how much of their own money the McCanns have used for their daughter.

As to keeping Madeleine’s case out there, when was the last time we heard a word from them ? When was the last time they updated their webpage? Their free Facebook page is now simply a collection of mawkish Hallmark quotes and not much else ( whatever did happen to the webmaster updating the OFM webpage with people’s efforts to help in the search ? )....one thing we agree on though, it was never about Madeleine...it was always about them.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2019, 07:09:02 PM by Holly Goodhead »
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Offline Lace

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2019, 07:10:16 PM »
It does show how successful the propaganda campaign has been in some quarters.

The Charity Commission said that they would work with the parents to help them achieve charity status. Even if the extra 25% gained through being able to gift aid donations went to a wider cause there would still have been enough to run their campaign to find there daughter....in fact with so many police forces involved why did the parents even need to fund a search ? There would have been greater scrutiny of how the money was spent though and that’s something the parents wouldn’t countenance.

And no they didn’t need to meet the pope. How confusing must it have been for the twins to not only have their sister disappear on them but also their mum and dad ? Yet again the parents put their own needs before their children’s sense of security. And what has the internet got to do with it ? Would it have made SY throw money at Benn’s case in the same way as Madeleine’s ? Benn’s mum ploughed all she had into keeping her son’s name out there. I wonder how much of their own money the McCanns have used for their daughter.

As to keeping Madeleine’s case out there, when was the last time we heard a word from them ? When was the last time they updated their webpage? Their free Facebook page is now simply a collection of mawkish Hallmark quotes and not much else ( whatever did happen to the webmaster updating the OFM webpage with people’s efforts to help in the search ? )....one thing we agree on though, it was never about Madeleine...it was always about them.


The McCann's said they couldn't run Madeleine's fund as a charity,  it wasn't just the McCann's involved they had lawyers too,  so it doesn't look as though it was possible does it.  If you have a problem with how the money was spent then contact the fund.

So you don't think the McCann's should have had a campaign to find their daughter and keep her in the public eye?   So parents of the missing shouldn't put posters up with the face of their child on them, because the Police are searching for their child.   How can the Police apart from contacting the Police in other countries,  get the child's face known to the public of other countries?


The Portuguese shelved the case anyway so there wasn't a Police force searching for Madeleine they had to employ private detectives.


The twins were being entertained by family members,  remember they went to the creche by themselves,  neither Madeleine or their parents were there then.  Would it have been better for the twins to have stayed around their parents crying hysterically all the time?   The Pope was close to God in the McCann's eyes they wanted him to bless Madeleine.   Also it advertised the fact that Madeleine was missing to those in Rome and anyone else who saw it on the tv.


There you go,  Ben Needham's Mum wanted Bens name out there,  that is what the McCann's wanted too, yet you put Ben's Mum on a pedestal,  that is so cruel.   Ben's mum said in her book [have you read it?]  she would have done EXACTLY the same as the McCann's if she had been in their position.

Now you are asking why they are NOT keeping Madeleine's name out there,  how strange.   I can only presume they have been told to keep quiet at the moment.   Yes it is about them,  something they never wanted.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2019, 07:17:36 PM by Holly Goodhead »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2019, 07:14:43 PM »
I've edited a post and deleted others on the basis they were personal/goading. 

Please try and accept we all see the case differently but there's no need for goading etc.  Thanks.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?