Is It Possible For A Non Professional Investigator To Solve The Case?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Seeing as how y’all rather creepily know so much about this woman why don’t you go the whole hog and contact her directly to satisfy your curiosity?  Invite her to the forum and we can all grill her.  That would be entertaining.

[Myster]

Seeing as how y’all rather creepily know so much about this woman why don’t you go the whole hog and contact her directly to satisfy your curiosity?  Invite her to the forum and we can all grill her.  That would be entertaining.

Nothing creepy about it... Butt Out!

[Myster]

This is the artist who drew sketches of Tannerman and the guy with a zapata moustache and prominent teeth, although I don't think the one of spotty man...

[Admin]

A reminder to everyone to stay within the thread topic.

Admin

[G-Unit]

It's definitely not an E-FIT, which as the name suggests is a likeness assembled from various facial features - hair, eyes, nose, mouth, etc. on a computer screen, although in its infancy was carried out with paper/cardboard cutouts, as I recall.

The pencil sketch was done by an experienced amateur artist, who I feel actually saw this mysterious person in reality, or by a professional guided by the input of Jeni Weinberger.

This OU video of an attempt at Judi Dench's face shows how poor E-FITs can be...

https://www.open.edu/openlearn/ocw/mod/oucontent/view.php?id=68096§ion=2.4

I don't care who did the sketch or whatever you care to call it. What I do know is that she isn't mentioned anywhere until this efit is released to the press. Despite attempts by Dave Edgar to link her sighting and the efit with the sightings by Tasmin Silence and Derek Flack, they produced different efits from her and from each other.

Scarface witness: Police ignored me The Sun
 
By ANTONELLA LAZZERI
Published: Today (11 May 2009)
 
A WITNESS who sparked the hunt for a scarfaced suspect in the Madeleine McCann abduction has NEVER been questioned by police.
 
The woman twice saw a man dubbed "Mr Ugly" loitering near the McCann holiday apartment before Maddie, three, vanished.
 
She reported the sightings to British cops when she returned home from Portugal, but they failed to follow up her lead. It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie's mum Kate, 41, nearly two years later that a photo-fit based on her description was put together.
 
The angry mum-of-two, 36, who has asked not to be identified, was in an apartment three doors from the McCanns. She said yesterday: "I feel vital time has been lost. Every day I hope Madeleine is found safe.
 
"When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked two years ago."
 
It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man in the resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007. She said: "I can't believe our three sightings weren't linked earlier. It took the McCanns to do that."
 
The weirdo so unnerved her that she pulled her three-year-old daughter away. Back in England, she told her local police in Wiltshire.
 
They passed her report to Kate and Gerry McCanns' local force in Leicestershire. She said: "I heard nothing from them."
 
The woman who featured in a TV documentary about Maddie last week, finally gave her description to the McCanns' own investigators.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OdnhpX6xtuIJ:https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id239.htm+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

[Vertigo Swirl]

Nothing creepy about it... Butt Out!

Do not talk to me like that. 

[G-Unit]

The 'Madeleine Was Here' documentary deliberately used the same actor to portray the man seen by three different witnesses, despite the fact that their actual descriptions differed significantly. I wonder why they sought to mislead people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY&t=846s

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't care who did the sketch or whatever you care to call it. What I do know is that she isn't mentioned anywhere until this efit is released to the press. Despite attempts by Dave Edgar to link her sighting and the efit with the sightings by Tasmin Silence and Derek Flack, they produced different efits from her and from each other.

Scarface witness: Police ignored me The Sun
 
By ANTONELLA LAZZERI
Published: Today (11 May 2009)
 
A WITNESS who sparked the hunt for a scarfaced suspect in the Madeleine McCann abduction has NEVER been questioned by police.
 
The woman twice saw a man dubbed "Mr Ugly" loitering near the McCann holiday apartment before Maddie, three, vanished.
 
She reported the sightings to British cops when she returned home from Portugal, but they failed to follow up her lead. It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie's mum Kate, 41, nearly two years later that a photo-fit based on her description was put together.
 
The angry mum-of-two, 36, who has asked not to be identified, was in an apartment three doors from the McCanns. She said yesterday: "I feel vital time has been lost. Every day I hope Madeleine is found safe.
 
"When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked two years ago."
 
It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man in the resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007. She said: "I can't believe our three sightings weren't linked earlier. It took the McCanns to do that."
 
The weirdo so unnerved her that she pulled her three-year-old daughter away. Back in England, she told her local police in Wiltshire.
 
They passed her report to Kate and Gerry McCanns' local force in Leicestershire. She said: "I heard nothing from them."
 
The woman who featured in a TV documentary about Maddie last week, finally gave her description to the McCanns' own investigators.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OdnhpX6xtuIJ:https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id239.htm+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

This is interesting in a few ways.

1. why did the police not pass this on the the PJ?- did they not believe it of find it worth while?

2. why did Kate n Gerry not pass this onto PJ it could have reopened the case?

3. If others saw this 'ugly man' (Good god how judgemental ew) why did crimewatch not make a big deal about it?


I wonderhow many sightings  they got from all over the world are they using the fund to go find their daughter in these places?

[Anthro]

Hi Miss Taken Identity, I think when this surfaced, the McCanns have lost confidence that the PJ was acting in Madeleine’s interest.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Could moderators look at the thread topic and enforce rules... There hasn't been an on topic post in about three days

Members are discussing people who may have been involved with solving the case.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Hi Miss Taken Identity, I think when this surfaced, the McCanns have lost confidence that the PJ was acting in Madeleine’s interest.

Hi Anthro,

That is one way to look at it, however, another way is they trashed the police from that evening their daughter disappeared!

 What brought that on. They claimed , via Gerry's sister who voiced on national TV, that no one was looking for Maddie that it was left to only them two.  I never did see an apology or thankyou to those who gave up their sleep and time to search that evening.

[Mr Gray]

Hi Anthro,

That is one way to look at it, however, another way is they trashed the police from that evening their daughter disappeared!

 What brought that on. They claimed , via Gerry's sister who voiced on national TV, that no one was looking for Maddie that it was left to only them two.  This is ofcourse a pack of lies- I never did see an apology or thankyou to those who gave up their sleep and time to search that evening.

That isn't true.. But when the truth won't do......

[Miss Taken Identity]

 

back on topic- re  non professionals solving the case: it could be said that if  some one came forward and named a person whom they believed was involved in some way then that could be classed as a non professional solving the case.

It is interesting though that with the reward being offered no one came forward at all.

[Vertigo Swirl]

back on topic- re  non professionals solving the case: it could be said that if  some one came forward and named a person whom they believed was involved in some way then that could be classed as a non professional solving the case.

It is interesting though that with the reward being offered no one came forward at all.

How do you know no one came forward at all?

[sadie]

That's not an e-fit, that's an e-fit up! That's the most accurate e-fit in the history of crime. I'm sorry, but it's too convenient.

Is it an e-fit up or is it legitimate?


Many years ago I had my wallet stolen from my handbag at the place I worked, which always had an open door.

Instantly realising he was up to no good, I stopped the man as he came down stairs, nobody about, and politely asked if I could help him.  He didn't answer, so I touched the swell in his jumper to feel my wallet.  He instantly ran, knocking me out of the way,almost down the stairs

Because of my seeing him so plainly (and possibly because of my history in portraiture and figure drawing) the Police rushed me the 6 or 7 miles to Lloyd House (West Mids police HQ) in the centre of Brum.

There I was shown hundreds of mugshots and one was strikingly like my man.  I am virtually 100% sure it was him, but it was full face and I had only seen him from below.   I said I was 99% sure, but that wasn't good enough.


Had this been a major crime and had the man vanished, then I can see no harm in putting forward a caricature image such as the one above,  Near enough to jog some potential witnesses memories but not close enough to accuse him.  Am i wrong seeing it like that?   if identified by a woman with exceptional visual abilities such as Jeni Weinbergers, one should sit up and take notice IMO

But I agree with others, it seems that the Police / Mccann Private Investigaters were possibly already questioning involvement by this man Brech, who had form and had vanished, it seemed, from the face of the earth.


Interesting thread.