A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[Vertigo Swirl]

They didn't release his efits in their no stone unturned? book. No they wanted to nail it on Tannerman who has been eliminated by SY. SY had to release the efits 5 years later. Everything comes back to that sighting and a dodgy watch!

In your fantasy world, perhaps.

[pathfinder73]

Funny that when they weren't wearing watches according to Mitchell who wasn't there.

You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.

Clarry is a waste of time. No Smithman efits for the media but you get posh spice and other nonsense. They never wanted to find Smithman so SY had to release them.

1578 'And did you wear watches''
 Reply 'Yes'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

When asked about the time he went to check the children on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, he states remembering that he did it, according to his watch, around 21:04.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

[pathfinder73]

In your fantasy world, perhaps.

They will never find your fantasy abductor and that is a promise!

[Vertigo Swirl]

They will never find your fantasy abductor and that is a promise!

They will never bang up Gerry McCann and that is a certainty afaiac.

[Mr Gray]

Funny that when they weren't wearing watches according to Mitchell who wasn't there.

You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.

depends what Mitchell meant  ... did he just mean some didnt have a watch or phone....it can be read either way

[Mr Gray]

They will never find your fantasy abductor and that is a promise!

perhaps they will ...perhaps they wont...you dont know

[barrier]

depends what Mitchell meant  ... did he just mean some didnt have a watch or phone....it can be read either way

The tapas 9 were never in the tapas together on the night of 3/05/2007 were they?

[Mr Gray]

The tapas 9 were never in the tapas together on the night of 3/05/2007 were they?

is it that important

[The General]

depends what Mitchell meant  ... did he just mean some didnt have a watch or phone....it can be read either way

Seems pretty unequivocal to me, other wise he would have prefixed with 'some'. Not sure what relevance the absence of phones or watches had to do with the 'absolute panic'. 'I say old chap, do you have the time?'. Could have said that to someone maybe? Bah, I wasn't there; what do I know?

[Mr Gray]

Seems pretty unequivocal to me, other wise he would have prefixed with 'some'. Not sure what relevance the absence of phones or watches had to do with the 'absolute panic'. 'I say old chap, do you have the time?'. Could have said that to someone maybe? Bah, I wasn't there; what do I know?

I dont think we can be sure but imo its more likely he meant some...and its  hearsay...may not be his exact words

[The General]

I dont think we can be sure but imo its more likely he meant some...and its  hearsay...may not be his exact words

Could be. What's the chances of 9 people not having a watch or a phone between them?
Spectacles, wallet and baby monitor.

[Brietta]

In the dark how could it be 100% for anybody? Body language was the main factor in Martin Smith naming GM -  he witnessed an action replay of that night.

He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Richard McCluskey was absolutely sure that he too recognised Gerry on the TV news despite (in common with Martin Smith) being unable to give police a description of the man at the time. Richard McCluskey's amended statement to the police https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm predates the amended statement given to them by Martin Smith ...

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I have watched a good deal of news coverage about the McCanns over the past week or so. Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children. The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr. McCann held the child that made me think. He held the child over his left shoulder with his left arm supporting the child?s weight.  https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

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I have already provided a witness statement in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I would like to add the following;

The events of the past week or so, with the McCanns being very much in the news, have triggered my memory in relation to the incident.

In my original statement I described a distressed female who ran down a road towards a white van I had described.

Having viewed recent news footage of Mrs McCann I am now almost certain that she is the female I described as being in a distressed state. I say this because of her slight build, high cheekbones and her eyes and hairstyle.

I've agonised for days over whether or not to contact the police about this because it is a terrible thing to accuse somebody of. It had just not crossed my mind that the child?s parents could in some way be involved in her disappearance.  https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

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How amazing can it be that two witnesses have almost exactly the same false memory experience after following exactly the same news in print media and on television news programmes.

Mr Smith's original sighting had not been resolved at the time probably because the man he saw remains as far as we know, unidentified.

Mr McCluskey's original sighting had been resolved using the information supplied by him and his wife and the couple involved identified by the Judicial police ...

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Having previously spoken to the neighbours it was established that the girl had left with the father and a colleague on Monday for the Ukraine. It was observed that having taking this girl on such a long journey was justified that she did not stay with the small boy (which would have been) a burden for the mother.

The description of the facts denounced was explained in this way. There was no doubt that the girl was the daughter of both, known by the neighbours and having lived at the address for a long time.

By the woman's admission, without mentioning the case of Madeleine McCann further, as she was now being heard by the police and regarding any doubts concerning the motive, she says that she had already observed - as had her husband - that her daughter could be confused with Madeleine because of the physical similarities and age.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

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Interesting statements indeed on all sorts of levels well worth giving a lot of serious thought.

Any theories you and Amaral may have associated with Mr Smith's false memory are nullified by comparison with Mr McCluskey's false memories.
But can you imagine the scenario had the Ukrainian couple seen by Mr & Mrs McCluskey not been ruled out by the PJ ... I think all Amaral's theories and Christmases would have come at once.

The question which arises for me is ... was the long journey back to the Ukraine with the child who looked like Madeleine checked out as diligently as it might have been if the senior officers hadn't already believed that Madeleine died one way or another, in the apartment on the 3rd May, at her parents hands.

[Brietta]

The Smith sighting took place in PDL within a short walking distance of the apartment at roughly 10:04 on the night Maddie disappeared.

The alarm was raised somewhere between 9:50 (MO) & 10:15 (GM).


The petrol station sighting took place some six days later, in a completely different country.....where the abductor had now supposedly given up hiding the worlds most high profile missing child, preferring instead to allow her to wander round a petrol station asking for her mum.

No-one in the Smith family made the connection between the man they had seen and Madeleine's disappearance until Peter wondered if he had dreamt the encounter a fortnight after the event.

[Holly Goodhead]

Can anyone produce anything to show that eye witness testimony is reliable?

https://www.ncsc.org/microsites/trends/home/Monthly-Trends-Articles/2017/The-Trouble-with-Eyewitness-Identification-Testimony-in-Criminal-Cases.aspx

[Brietta]

Amaral thinks the child is dead, the McCanns say she's alive. No-one knows who's right, but why should one be censored and not the other?

Kate wrote in her book

• they did not know what happened to Madeleine
• there was no evidence that she had come to serious harm

As far as I know that information remains exactly the same today as it was then.  So what is this campaign to prove the death of a person really all about.
Is it all to benefit the egotistical theories of a very troubled (if he's not - in my opinion he should be) man.