A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[G-Unit]

I don't think you've quite got the hang of this debating thing.

Debater (i) asks a question.
Debater (ii) answers and asks a question in return ... and so it goes on.

I've asked you at least two questions without having received a response from you ... so when you do feel like responding I may decide to do so too.

OK, let's do this.

I'm still trying to get an answer to the first question I asked (before you asked any at all);

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Were you expecting all these 'properly trained people' to arrive on the night of 3rd? How?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567195#msg567195

You did indeed respond with a question of your own;

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What do you know about a dedicated child protection unit based in Porto?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567196#msg567196

Answer; nothing and I never claimed I did.

You then asked;

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So when did this crack outfit leave Lisbon and put feet on the ground in Luz how long did they stay there?  Any ideas about which of the theories doing the rounds do you think they might have contribute to?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567201#msg567201

Answer; I don't know and I never claimed I did.

I then repeated my question;

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You don't seem impressed by the DCCB, so could you give us an example of the type of 'properly trained investigators' who would meet your standards?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567236#msg567236

I assumed, as you raised the subject of 'properly trained investigators' and compared the PJ unfavourably to them you would be able to explain who you had in mind. Do you have anything to say which would identify these paragons or not? Otherwise nobody knows what you mean by the phrase.

[Wonderfulspam]

you say its true but admit to being quite dishonest....so the evidence doesnt support your honesty

I trust him to babysit my kids, more than I would the McCanns.

[G-Unit]

As Ive pointed out to you many times...its a matter of opinion based on the evidence. I think people have been fooled into believing amarals theory...based on not understanding the evidence...that goes for the initial pj investigation

In my opinion it's a matter of opinion based on flatly refusing to acknowledge that there is evidence.

[The General]

OK, let's do this.

I'm still trying to get an answer to the first question I asked (before you asked any at all);

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Were you expecting all these 'properly trained people' to arrive on the night of 3rd? How?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567195#msg567195

You did indeed respond with a question of your own;

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What do you know about a dedicated child protection unit based in Porto?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567196#msg567196

Answer; nothing and I never claimed I did.

You then asked;

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So when did this crack outfit leave Lisbon and put feet on the ground in Luz how long did they stay there?  Any ideas about which of the theories doing the rounds do you think they might have contribute to?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567201#msg567201

Answer; I don't know and I never claimed I did.

I then repeated my question;

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You don't seem impressed by the DCCB, so could you give us an example of the type of 'properly trained investigators' who would meet your standards?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567236#msg567236

I assumed, as you raised the subject of 'properly trained investigators' and compared the PJ unfavourably to them you would be able to explain who you had in mind. Do you have anything to say which would identify these paragons or not? Otherwise nobody knows what you mean by the phrase.

Reminiscent of Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Roberto Durán II - no mas! no mas!
This bout is OVER!

[carlymichelle]

In my opinion it's a matter of opinion based on flatly refusing to acknowledge that there is evidence.

its called denial

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion it's a matter of opinion based on flatly refusing to acknowledge that there is evidence.

of course theres evidence........but imo...confirmed by your refusal to accept that smoking causes cancer...you refuse to accept evidnce if it goes against your mindset

[G-Unit]

its called denial

It wasn't the McCanns fault; they were distraught, confused, misunderstood, picked on and blameless. We know it's true because Kate McCann wrote a book about it. It was Tweedledum and Tweedledee, the interpreters, the PJ (the f***ing t****rs) and the newspapers who made them look bad.

[Mr Gray]

It wasn't the McCanns fault; they were distraught, confused, misunderstood, picked on and blameless. We know it's true because Kate McCann wrote a book about it. It was Tweedledum and Tweedledee, the interpreters, the PJ (the f***ing t****rs) and the newspapers who made them look bad.

A very poor post imo.

[Mr Gray]

Del

[Brietta]

OK, let's do this.

I'm still trying to get an answer to the first question I asked (before you asked any at all);

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Were you expecting all these 'properly trained people' to arrive on the night of 3rd? How?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567195#msg567195

You did indeed respond with a question of your own;

snip/
What do you know about a dedicated child protection unit based in Porto?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567196#msg567196

Answer; nothing and I never claimed I did.

You then asked;

snip/
So when did this crack outfit leave Lisbon and put feet on the ground in Luz how long did they stay there?  Any ideas about which of the theories doing the rounds do you think they might have contribute to?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567201#msg567201

Answer; I don't know and I never claimed I did.

I then repeated my question;

snip/
You don't seem impressed by the DCCB, so could you give us an example of the type of 'properly trained investigators' who would meet your standards?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.msg567236#msg567236

I assumed, as you raised the subject of 'properly trained investigators' and compared the PJ unfavourably to them you would be able to explain who you had in mind. Do you have anything to say which would identify these paragons or not? Otherwise nobody knows what you mean by the phrase.

Let us fast forward to 2017 to a time when the lessons of 2007 have been learned in Portugal and to when a seven year old British boy ran ahead of his parents on a rocky path in broad daylight and vanished.
They searched for over an hour for him before contacting the police at 12:30pm who immediately …

• Sounded an all-ports alert
• Began to set up road blocks
• Started to make door to door enquiries
• Alerted the maritime police to request searches of the beach area
• Alerted border police who instituted the establishment of a security perimeter
• Called in a specialist team from Lisbon which was cancelled along with other measures in the process of being implemented when the boy was taken to the police in Lagos around 1pm.

That missing child procedure was brought into action immediately the child's disappearance was reported to the police and is exactly the excellent response which any missing child deserves.

Madeleine McCann did not benefit from anything approaching that level of expertise.


NB
Last night authorities confirmed police would be reporting the episode to prosecutors so they could decide whether to take further action.
An insider said: 'It is highly unlikely this will go any further but the GNR is obliged to act in this way.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736208/British-boy-goes-missing-Praia-da-Luz.html

[sadie]

The patio doors did not have shutters that was the bedroom window shutters being discussed as a means of entry and exit for alleged abductor.

The line of sight from the tapas to the apartment was obscured by shrubs and bushes, only the top of the apartments roof was visible.

Rubbish.

Soon after the shubs had been cut back as on May 3rd 2007, I was there eating at the Tapas Restaurant,  ... and I clearly saw most of the patio windows to the sitting room.

I can see from various photos / Google Earth images that there was, however, a tall shrub in front of the patio windows to the parents bedroom.


Shrubs grow extremely quickly on the Algarve.  On a day when they were grown and ready for prunning the sight of the patio windows would be more restricted.


However the shrubs had JUST be pruned by May 5th and the sight of the patio windows would heve been good as when we saw them



Please stop spreading disinformation Mistaken

[sadie]

It wasn't the McCanns fault; they were distraught, confused, misunderstood, picked on and blameless. We know it's true because Kate McCann wrote a book about it. It was Tweedledum and Tweedledee, the interpreters, the PJ (the f***ing t****rs) and the newspapers who made them look bad.

...And especially a vociferous and malicious group like some on here.    Always running them down and spreading disinformation.


I wonder why ?

[G-Unit]

Let us fast forward to 2017 to a time when the lessons of 2007 have been learned in Portugal and to when a seven year old British boy ran ahead of his parents on a rocky path in broad daylight and vanished.
They searched for over an hour for him before contacting the police at 12:30pm who immediately …

• Sounded an all-ports alert
• Began to set up road blocks
• Started to make door to door enquiries
• Alerted the maritime police to request searches of the beach area
• Alerted border police who instituted the establishment of a security perimeter
• Called in a specialist team from Lisbon which was cancelled along with other measures in the process of being implemented when the boy was taken to the police in Lagos around 1pm.

That missing child procedure was brought into action immediately the child's disappearance was reported to the police and is exactly the excellent response which any missing child deserves.

Madeleine McCann did not benefit from anything approaching that level of expertise.


NB
Last night authorities confirmed police would be reporting the episode to prosecutors so they could decide whether to take further action.
An insider said: 'It is highly unlikely this will go any further but the GNR is obliged to act in this way.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736208/British-boy-goes-missing-Praia-da-Luz.html

So the GNR are the 'properly trained investigators' you think the PJ could learn from? In 2007 it wasn't in their job description to liaise with those other authorities, it was the PJ who did that. Were they involved in this case?

[barrier]

Rubbish.

Soon after the shubs had been cut back as on May 3rd 2007, I was there eating at the Tapas Restaurant,  ... and I clearly saw most of the patio windows to the sitting room.

I can see from various photos / Google Earth images that there was, however, a tall shrub in front of the patio windows to the parents bedroom.


Shrubs grow extremely quickly on the Algarve.  On a day when they were grown and ready for prunning the sight of the patio windows would be more restricted.


However the shrubs had JUST be pruned by May 5th and the sight of the patio windows would heve been good as when we saw them



Please stop spreading disinformation Mistaken

Easy to obscure an exit from there then.

[Brietta]

So the GNR are the 'properly trained investigators' you think the PJ could learn from? In 2007 it wasn't in their job description to liaise with those other authorities, it was the PJ who did that. Were they involved in this case?

It appears that the Portuguese State had no procedures or protocols in place in 2007 for safeguarding missing children.

If there were any they most certainly were not put in place when Madeleine McCann went missing from her holiday bedroom.

The fact is that in 2017 immediately the Portuguese police received a missing child alert efficient and well rehearsed contingency plans were deployed for the safeguarding of that child in absolute contrast to what happened when Madeleine McCann was reported missing in 2007.

It seems the deficiencies apparent in 2007 which you appear to be defending were taken on board by those in authority in Portugal and rectified.
Unless it is your contention the protocols we have recently seen being used were actually in place in 2007 and could have been used by those tasked with locating Madeleine but for some reason were not?