A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[sadie]

The wall is smaller from the garden side as these photos prove.





And the last photo confirms that Mrs Fenn can't see the garden unless out on the balcony which she wasn't. The Moyes were for 30 minutes so I would need to tie down an exact timeline from them. If they were out at 9 then they should have seen Jez with pram meeting Gerry and chatting below so I think they were out a bit later at around 9:15.

So, do you think an abductor would be able to clamber over the hedge and wall keeping a sleeping Madeleine asleep?

Do you honestly think that was possible ?


Good night PFinder.  Sleep well.

[sadie]

The wall is smaller from the garden side as these photos prove.





And the last photo confirms that Mrs Fenn can't see the garden unless out on the balcony which she wasn't. The Moyes were for 30 minutes so I would need to tie down an exact timeline from them. If they were out at 9 then they should have seen Jez with pram meeting Gerry and chatting below so I think they were out a bit later at around 9:15.

And another photo to add to your collection

[barrier]

That's interesting because in her PB she tells us after the first couple of days they hardly used the front door.

Are there any photos or other evidence to show that the patio doors are under lockable from the outside?

[barrier]

Can someone describe how this door is lockable from the outside please.

[G-Unit]

Are there any photos or other evidence to show that the patio doors are under lockable from the outside?

They're not, so if, as Kate says, they hardly used the front door then that means they hardly ever locked their apartment in the day or the evening.

[Angelo222]

Only if you are looking out at that time.

That's the problem, no would-be abductor is going to put themself in a position where they can be easily seen from above.  There are easier targets than a corner apartment which was overlooked from above. Add to that the chances of being seen by other witnesses wandering around so I find the entire proposition very unlikely.

[G-Unit]

That's the problem, no would-be abductor is going to put themself in a position where they can be easily seen from above.  There are easier targets than a corner apartment which was overlooked from above.

Or do it in stages;

1. Place something on the balcony.
2. Move it to below the balcony.
3. Take it and nip over the wall into the garden of 5B.
4. Retrieve it and go along the passageway in a westerly direction.

In the dark.

[pathfinder73]

So, do you think an abductor would be able to clamber over the hedge and wall keeping a sleeping Madeleine asleep?

Do you honestly think that was possible ?


Good night PFinder.  Sleep well.

There are 2 possible ways out of the garden to get to the dark lane - either way could be used. Eddie alerted in the garden just before the wall so there is a reason and it should be followed up. Madeleine may have been in that garden at some point that night.

[Eleanor]

There are 2 possible ways out of the garden to get to the dark lane - either way could be used. Eddie alerted in the garden just before the wall so there is a reason and it should be followed up. Madeleine may have been in that garden at some point that night.

Martin Grime decided it wasn't worth following up.

[pathfinder73]

The EVRD alerted in the:
Rear bedroom of the apartment in the immediate right hand corner by
the door.
Living room, behind sofa.
Veranda outside parent's bedroom.
Garden area directly under veranda.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Brietta]

The EVRD alerted in the:
Rear bedroom of the apartment in the immediate right hand corner by
the door.
Living room, behind sofa.
Veranda outside parent's bedroom.
Garden area directly under veranda.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

That particular victim recovery dog has a bit of an excitable history of alerting here there and everywhere.  Certainly that was all he did in Portugal and in Jersey ... he certainly found nothing which advanced either case being investigated.
In my opinion he was in fact an impedance which sent investigators off on entirely the wrong scent.

[jassi]

The EVRD alerted in the:
Rear bedroom of the apartment in the immediate right hand corner by
the door.
Living room, behind sofa.
Veranda outside parent's bedroom.
Garden area directly under veranda.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I hope they looked for recently disturbed soil in the garden areas

[Eleanor]

I hope they looked for recently disturbed soil in the garden areas

What a very peculiar thing to say.

[jassi]

What a very peculiar thing to say.

Really?

Gardens seem an eminently suitable area to temporarily store a body

[G-Unit]

What a very peculiar thing to say.

I don't find it anywhere as near peculiar as the idea that someone stole a 3 year old child so they could breed from her when she got older. I suppose we all have our own ideas about what is or isn't peculiar.