A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[Mr Gray]

No, show James Herriot the images or video of the car 'plastered in posters' and show me how Grime clairvoyantly transmitted to the PJ he was going to start sniffing around in other areas.

most have already seen it but just for you i will see what i can

https://youtu.be/FTF4JTLeOWA

watch from the start...at 1.13 eddie runs straight past the mccanns car,,,the one with the posters stuck to the widow...and has to be called back. Yet Grime claims

When passing a
vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
the dog's behaviour changed substantially.

what grime claims isnt true

[The General]

most have already seen it but just for you i will see what i can

https://youtu.be/FTF4JTLeOWA

watch from the start...at 1.13 eddie runs straight past the mccanns car,,,the one with the posters stuck to the widow...and has to be called back. Yet Grime claims

When passing a
vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
the dog's behaviour changed substantially.

what grime claims isnt true

2.59 Demonstrable change in the behaviour of the dog, then an alert. Cuts both ways.....to quote Gloria Estefan.

[Mr Gray]

2.59 Demonstrable change in the behaviour of the dog, then an alert. Cuts both ways.....to quote Gloria Estefan.

I dint think it does... The BS detector just registered a max

[Robittybob1]

Grime has made it clear the alerts have no evidential value

All aspects of a circumstantial evidence case taken on their own are not "evidential" yet perpetrators are still found guilty in "circumstantial evidence" cases.

[Robittybob1]

And others that have shown that Davel is right.  So nothing to be relied upon.

Yes can't be relied on on their own, but in a complete chain of circumstantial evidences they will contribute to the total evidence.

[Robittybob1]

I have no reason to believe that Grime would use his dogs if nothing could be gained from doing so. Anyone who says he would do it for other than sound operational reasons is, in my opinion, libelling him.

Tough luck.  IMO Grime being a policeman is allowed to set up "sting" operations ruses etc in order to elicit a confession.  Apparently the police are allowed to lie when questioning a suspect.  Pretending to have more evidence than they really do have is allowed.

[Mr Gray]

All aspects of a circumstantial evidence case taken on their own are not "evidential" yet perpetrators are still found guilty in "circumstantial evidence" cases.

circumstantial evidence surely is evidential

[Vertigo Swirl]

Tough luck.  IMO Grime being a policeman is allowed to set up "sting" operations ruses etc in order to elicit a confession.  Apparently the police are allowed to lie when questioning a suspect.  Pretending to have more evidence than they really do have is allowed.

Good point. It’s also a good reason why dog alerts on their own should never be allowed as evidence in court.

[Robittybob1]

circumstantial evidence surely is evidential

Each part isn't but it is or can judged to be in its entirety.

[Mr Gray]

Each part isn't but it is or can judged to be in its entirety.

Circumstantial is evidence ...not proof but evidence

[barrier]

Circumstantial is evidence ...not proof but evidence

Each circumstantial piece is then collated by the prosecution to build a case or not as the case maybe.If you watch the Fleming case on i player,there's no body,no weapon, its all circumstantial added together  it was enough to convince the jury.

[barrier]

Tough luck.  IMO Grime being a policeman is allowed to set up "sting" operations ruses etc in order to elicit a confession.  Apparently the police are allowed to lie when questioning a suspect.  Pretending to have more evidence than they really do have is allowed.

Not sure on the lying bit,just been watching 24 hrs in police custody,the police set two suspects against each other and they squealed like stuck pig's,both found guilty of murder.

[Mr Gray]

Each circumstantial piece is then collated by the prosecution to build a case or not as the case maybe.If you watch the Fleming case on i player,there's no body,no weapon, its all circumstantial added together  it was enough to convince the jury.

each piece of circumstantial evidence is a thin strand...but woven together they make a strong cable

[The General]

Good point. It’s also a good reason why dog alerts on their own should never be allowed as evidence in court.

What if they find the body in that location?

[G-Unit]

Tough luck.  IMO Grime being a policeman is allowed to set up "sting" operations ruses etc in order to elicit a confession.  Apparently the police are allowed to lie when questioning a suspect.  Pretending to have more evidence than they really do have is allowed.

Grime's reputation rested on him using his dogs honestly.