A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[Brietta]

I’m not sure whether you’re being deliberately obtuse or truly don’t understand my point.

In the Lubbock case at least nine people have covered up a crime by a perpetrator/perpetrators they probably didn’t know very well and in the process risked their own livelihood and freedom. We were told that it is a ridiculous suggestion that 7 people, some who didn’t know the parents very well, would risk their livelihoods and freedom by lying for the parents. After watching the Lubbock documentary that suggestion doesn’t seem so ridiculous after all.

The police have never claimed as you do that everyone present in Barrymore's bungalow had knowledge of Stuart Lubbock's murder.
They are very circumspect about what they are putting into the public domain.  No doubt bearing in mind that despite a heinous crime having been committed there is no evidence with which to enable anyone to be either accused or charged with the offence.
Exceedingly unfortunate but that is the fact of the matter.

Please be equally as circumspect and bear in mind that your unsubstantiated accusations whether outright or implied are libellous. 

Snip

“Nine people went to the party at Michael Barrymore’s house, but only one of them – Stuart – ended up being violently sexually assaulted and murdered.

“We know not everyone at that party was responsible for what happened, but someone was. We also know that not everyone at that party may know what happened, but someone does.
https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/news/news/2020/february/detectives-appeal-for-fresh-information-about-the-rape-and-murder-of-stuart-lubbock/

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don’t remember anyone saying it was impossible but even Madeleine’s gran thought it was highly unlikely that if taken out of her bed by a stranger that she wouldn’t scream the place down. Further it’s not entirely clear whether the young man who killed Alesha was a stranger to her.

So with reference to other cases it is clear that it is possible for a group of people, not especially close to each other, to hide a criminal act even when it may lead to the loss of their livelihood and freedom and it is also possible to remove a sleeping child from a bedroom without them screaming the place down.

What you believe is simply a matter of opinion.

talk about stating the obvious.  Thanks for sharing though, I’m quite sure it’s progressed our understanding of what happened to Madeleine by comparing her circumstances to those of Stuart Lubbock.  *rolleyesemoticon*

[faithlilly]

The police have never claimed as you do that everyone present in Barrymore's bungalow had knowledge of Stuart Lubbock's murder.
They are very circumspect about what they are putting into the public domain.  No doubt bearing in mind that despite a heinous crime having been committed there is no evidence with which to enable anyone to be either accused or charged with the offence.
Exceedingly unfortunate but that is the fact of the matter.

Please be equally as circumspect and bear in mind that your unsubstantiated accusations whether outright or implied are libellous. 

Snip

“Nine people went to the party at Michael Barrymore’s house, but only one of them – Stuart – ended up being violently sexually assaulted and murdered.

“We know not everyone at that party was responsible for what happened, but someone was. We also know that not everyone at that party may know what happened, but someone does.
https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/news/news/2020/february/detectives-appeal-for-fresh-information-about-the-rape-and-murder-of-stuart-lubbock/

In a bungalow the size of Barrymore’s it would be almost impossible for all the guests not to know at least part of what happened that night or to have knowledge of it through someone else yet none of them are talking to the police....and to be clear I am accusing no one.

As John Biggs QC said during Barrymore’s wrongful arrest trial :

‘Mr Beggs added: "This was not a mansion as the media have claimed. It was a moderate cottage, with narrow physical confines.

"There were very few people at the property. It was no bigger than a dinner party of nine people, not 160. If there had been 160 persons present and 140 had no idea what went on that might not be very suspicious.

"But we have eight survivors, and at no point, not one can offer a single explanation."

[faithlilly]

talk about stating the obvious.  Thanks for sharing though, I’m quite sure it’s progressed our understanding of what happened to Madeleine by comparing her circumstances to those of Stuart Lubbock.  *rolleyesemoticon*

I disagree. That we can disprove the assumption that it was ridiculous to suggest that a terrible event could be hidden by a group of people to protect themselves does take us forward and opens up a myriad of possibilities.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I disagree. That we can disprove the assumption that it was ridiculous to suggest that a terrible event could be hidden by a group of people to protect themselves does take us forward and opens up a myriad of possibilities.

What may be ridiculous in one set of circumstances with one set of people, may not be so ridiculous with another set of people and another set of circumstances.  There is not a law of physics here that you are trying to prove or disprove.  You yourself have put forward mitigating  circs as to why you believe we can’t compare Madeleine to Alesha McPhail for example.

[Vertigo Swirl]

PS, there is a Stuart Lubbock discussion in another part of the forum.  I have just made a post in it.

[G-Unit]

What may be ridiculous in one set of circumstances with one set of people, may not be so ridiculous with another set of people and another set of circumstances.  There is not a law of physics here that you are trying to prove or disprove.  You yourself have put forward mitigating  circs as to why you believe we can’t compare Madeleine to Alesha McPhail for example.

That's a very good point. Each set of circumstances is unique and unrelated to any other. Despite that people have tried to make comparisons; Madeleine McCann/Joana Cipriano; cases involving CSI dogs; different Judicial systems; trolling with asking questions.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's a very good point. Each set of circumstances is unique and unrelated to any other. Despite that people have tried to make comparisons; Madeleine McCann/Joana Cipriano; cases involving CSI dogs; different Judicial systems; trolling with asking questions.

  So in your view the Stuart Lubbock case tells us nothing about the McCann case.  Glad we got that sorted. 

[faithlilly]

What may be ridiculous in one set of circumstances with one set of people, may not be so ridiculous with another set of people and another set of circumstances.  There is not a law of physics here that you are trying to prove or disprove.  You yourself have put forward mitigating  circs as to why you believe we can’t compare Madeleine to Alesha McPhail for example.

Its possible that a group of relative strangers will cover up another’s misdeeds even when their freedom and livelihood is at stake. That is the point....the end.

[G-Unit]

Its possible that a group of relative strangers will cover up another’s misdeeds even when their freedom and livelihood is at stake. That is the point....the end.

It's also possible that people think they're keeping quiet about something minor when it's actually more than that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Its possible that a group of relative strangers will cover up another’s misdeeds even when their freedom and livelihood is at stake. That is the point....the end.

And it's possible that a child can be abducted by a stranger from her bed in the night.  The end. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's also possible that people think they're keeping quiet about something minor when it's actually more than that.

I don't think that would apply in either the Lubbock or the McCann case do you?

[Mr Gray]

When investigating a crime there are things that are possible and things that are probable .  The police look at the evidence and go from possible to probable.

It's possible that the McCanns are incredibly devious.. Narcisistic and all those things they are, accused of on CMOMM... I just think.. Based on the evidence... That there's more chance the Loch Ness monster exists.  which of course we can't disprove.
So all those sceptics who get the excited because they can show somethings possible need to remind themselves about Loch Ness

[faithlilly]

It's also possible that people think they're keeping quiet about something minor when it's actually more than that.

Absolutely.

[faithlilly]

And it's possible that a child can be abducted by a stranger from her bed in the night.  The end.

Of course is and it is also possible that something else happened and it is being covered up.