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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1575 on: February 10, 2020, 10:36:25 AM »
are the 9 covering up for themselves to hide their involveemnt in the crime...thats the difference
This case has been one of the most difficult to work out.   Who knows what happened?
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Online Eleanor

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1576 on: February 10, 2020, 10:51:32 AM »
This case has been one of the most difficult to work out.   Who knows what happened?

The McCanns are never going to be arrested or charged with this.  And that's a fact.

Offline Brietta

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1577 on: February 10, 2020, 11:13:16 AM »
This case has been one of the most difficult to work out.   Who knows what happened?

When viewed in retrospect and with an inside look at the conduct of the main points of the investigation I think the fault line running throughout the Amaral investigation caused irreparable damage to any chance of either rescuing Madeleine initially or finding out what had become of her subsequently.

Amaral's score settling book perpetuating the mistakes made and outlined in the Tavares de Almeida report merely exacerbated that and illustrated the personal bias of two key members of the investigation one a convicted perjurer and one a convicted torturer.
In my opinion persons of that calibre should never have been let loose on a missing child investigation and their mismanagement of it had a lasting effect.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1578 on: February 10, 2020, 11:15:43 AM »
The McCanns are never going to be arrested or charged with this.  And that's a fact.

But that doesn't mean they didn't do it.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1579 on: February 10, 2020, 11:17:04 AM »
When viewed in retrospect and with an inside look at the conduct of the main points of the investigation I think the fault line running throughout the Amaral investigation caused irreparable damage to any chance of either rescuing Madeleine initially or finding out what had become of her subsequently.

Amaral's score settling book perpetuating the mistakes made and outlined in the Tavares de Almeida report merely exacerbated that and illustrated the personal bias of two key members of the investigation one a convicted perjurer and one a convicted torturer.
In my opinion persons of that calibre should never have been let loose on a missing child investigation and their mismanagement of it had a lasting effect.

Scotland Yard didn’t think the damage was insurmountable or they would never have taken it on.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1580 on: February 10, 2020, 11:23:01 AM »
But that doesn't mean they didn't do it.

You may prefer to think so and that may be your prerogative but back in the real world it is patently obvious that Scotland Yard and the judicial Police most certainly do not share that bias with you which both investigations have gone out of their way to publicly point out at the highest level.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1581 on: February 10, 2020, 11:25:28 AM »
You may prefer to think so and that may be your prerogative but back in the real world it is patently obvious that Scotland Yard and the judicial Police most certainly do not share that bias with you which both investigations have gone out of their way to publicly point out at the highest level.

SY & the PJ can say whatever they like, but it still doesn't prove they didn't do it.
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Offline Brietta

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1582 on: February 10, 2020, 12:12:17 PM »
Scotland Yard didn’t think the damage was insurmountable or they would never have taken it on.

How much do you actually know about the investigation of Madeleine's case???

The Amaral/Almeida investigation was superseded by the Rebelo investigation after Amaral was sacked and Almeida took leave of absence  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/03/ukcrime.uknews4

More details here ~ Top officer takes over in McCann case   https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/09/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

Rebelo's first task was to make some sense of the disorder the Amaral investigation had left behind them ...
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Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.

According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.

Following Amaral's removal after he criticised British police, Rebelo, one of Portugal's national deputy police chiefs, is reviewing the whole forensic investigation because of earlier procedural errors.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-new-police-chiefs-fury-over-the-mess-he-inherited-from-his-predecessor-6669085.html

And that is only the tip of the iceberg.

But the main points are that the Amaral investigation 'screwed up' and what could be salvaged from the mess was put into some sort of order by Rebelo and the specialist team he brought with him.

The files with which we are familiar today are the result of that ... "His appointment is an attempt to regain control of the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance ... " and in conjunction with the proper conduct of the case ... "Her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, were named as official suspects on September 7, but a magistrate ruled the police had yet to gather sufficient evidence to warrant further questioning of the couple over the disappearance of their daughter."  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/09/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

So in effect you are following entirely the wrong illusion if you think for a minute that Amaral contributed anything but disarray to Madeleine's investigation or that any self respecting investigating body would be able to refer to what he left behind ... certainly the Judicial Police who took over from him couldn't.

Scotland Yard used Rebelo's work ... without which it would have been impossible for Scotland Yard or anyone else to penetrate the mess of an investigation Amaral left behind.

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Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.

"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."

Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-new-police-chiefs-fury-over-the-mess-he-inherited-from-his-predecessor-6669085.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1583 on: February 10, 2020, 12:19:59 PM »
SY & the PJ can say whatever they like, but it still doesn't prove they didn't do it.

Doesn't prove you didn't do it either but that does not preclude you from enjoying the presumption of innocence nor does it preclude the investigators from eliminating people after checking them out and progressing to the next step of working on finding someone who might become more than a person of interest.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1584 on: February 10, 2020, 12:25:38 PM »
The McCanns are never going to be arrested or charged with this.  And that's a fact.

I think it's highly unlikely that anyone will be arrested or charged, and it's highly unlikely that Madeleine's fate will ever be discovered.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1585 on: February 10, 2020, 12:29:09 PM »
SY & the PJ can say whatever they like, but it still doesn't prove they didn't do it.

I would say it proves well beyond reasonable doubt..
Nothing can be proved absolutely

Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1586 on: February 10, 2020, 12:36:55 PM »
I would say it proves well beyond reasonable doubt..
Nothing can be proved absolutely

A cast iron alibi is helpful, but there are none in this case.
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Online Eleanor

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1587 on: February 10, 2020, 12:41:49 PM »
When viewed in retrospect and with an inside look at the conduct of the main points of the investigation I think the fault line running throughout the Amaral investigation caused irreparable damage to any chance of either rescuing Madeleine initially or finding out what had become of her subsequently.

Amaral's score settling book perpetuating the mistakes made and outlined in the Tavares de Almeida report merely exacerbated that and illustrated the personal bias of two key members of the investigation one a convicted perjurer and one a convicted torturer.
In my opinion persons of that calibre should never have been let loose on a missing child investigation and their mismanagement of it had a lasting effect.

These Facts actually beggar belief.  I very much doubt that Investigating ever came into any crime committed in Portugal.
Decide who done it and then stitch them up, by Torture or other means.  The PJ might even have got it right now and again.  But who cares?

Online Eleanor

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1588 on: February 10, 2020, 12:42:57 PM »
But that doesn't mean they didn't do it.

I would join The PJ if I were you.  You would be a natural.

Online Eleanor

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1589 on: February 10, 2020, 12:49:30 PM »
I think it's highly unlikely that anyone will be arrested or charged, and it's highly unlikely that Madeleine's fate will ever be discovered.

I have hope while you obviously don't.

How will you react if Madeleine is found alive?

Personally, I believe that you will be one of the very few who behaves with some sort of honour.