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Offline sadie

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1635 on: February 12, 2020, 12:48:01 AM »
The GNR were called at 22:41 and the two officers arrived at approximately 23:00. Pretty good going if they were 30 minutes away. Why do you feel the need to spread disinformation Sadie?

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No disinformation there .  Matt tried to have reception call them at about 10.10 - 10.15, but it seems that Reception never called them.

On previous threads there are different times reported about when the calls were sent/ arrived and the time that the GNR arrived at 5A ... and I am not going to wade thru all the posts.  You can if you wish.


The bottom line is that from 10.10ish  to 11pmish is a very long time.  Matt tried to get reception to report it to the Police at about that time, as you will know..   If YOUR child had vanished, would you find 45-50 minutes a long time to wait for the Police ... or would that be OK for you? ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1636 on: February 12, 2020, 01:00:17 AM »
No disinformation there .  Matt tried to have reception call them at about 10.10 - 10.15, but it seems that Reception never called them.

On previous threads there are different times reported about when the calls were sent/ arrived and the time that the GNR arrived at 5A ... and I am not going to wade thru all the posts.  You can if you wish.


The bottom line is that from 9.10ish  to 11pmish is a very long time.  Matt tried to get reception to report it to the Police at about that time, as you will know..   If YOUR child had vanished, would you find 45-50 minutes a long time to wait for the Police ... or would that be OK for you? ?

The GNR didn't 'arrive very late' as you said, they made very good time from Odiaxere to Luz after being called; it took 18 minutes. They cannot be blamed for the delay in calling them; that lies elsewhere.
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Offline barrier

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1637 on: February 12, 2020, 07:10:24 AM »
No disinformation there .  Matt tried to have reception call them at about 10.10 - 10.15, but it seems that Reception never called them.

On previous threads there are different times reported about when the calls were sent/ arrived and the time that the GNR arrived at 5A ... and I am not going to wade thru all the posts.  You can if you wish.


The bottom line is that from 9.10ish  to 11pmish is a very long time.  Matt tried to get reception to report it to the Police at about that time, as you will know..   If YOUR child had vanished, would you find 45-50 minutes a long time to wait for the Police ... or would that be OK for you? ?
I wonder why is it you would expect the police to drop everything and hurry along to a report of a missing child with in seconds of her disappearance ,there were no signs of a break in (Mitchell later confirmed this) there was no mysterious Tannerman until later even days later for Smithman,Id venture it would sound from initial reports as if she had just wandered off and was hiding,Its the subsequent theories down the years that cloud the issue, Is it known the actual wording used by the caller to the Police about the dissapearence?
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Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1638 on: February 12, 2020, 08:07:56 AM »
I wonder why is it you would expect the police to drop everything and hurry along to a report of a missing child with in seconds of her disappearance ,there were no signs of a break in (Mitchell later confirmed this) there was no mysterious Tannerman until later even days later for Smithman,Id venture it would sound from initial reports as if she had just wandered off and was hiding,Its the subsequent theories down the years that cloud the issue, Is it known the actual wording used by the caller to the Police about the dissapearence?
Of course, as a parent, if your child goes missing you're going to want immediate action, and nothing that's done will seem enough.
In this case I would imagine the report of a child going missing during the holiday season is routine. Clearly the percentage of children subsequently found up to this point was 100%. That's not complacency. Arriving within the hour, given this context, is not negligent.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 08:16:44 AM by The General »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1639 on: February 12, 2020, 08:17:44 AM »
Of course, as a parent, if your child goes missing you're going to want immediate action, and nothing that's done will seem enough.
In this case I would imagine the report of a child going missing during the holiday season is routine. Clearly the percentage of children subsequently found up to this point was 100%. That's not complacency. Arriving within the hour, given this context, is not negligent.

a child missing from their bed with a window open is perhaps another story

Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1640 on: February 12, 2020, 08:29:20 AM »
a child missing from their bed with a window open is perhaps another story
If you call that in expeditiously enough and with suitable accuracy, you get the response they got in my most humble opinion.
I'm more than happy to criticise the police for all manner of reasons where it's warranted and often do.
The criticism of the initial response is unwarranted and actually unhelpful.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1641 on: February 12, 2020, 08:30:55 AM »
If you call that in expeditiously enough and with suitable accuracy, you get the response they got in my most humble opinion.
I'm more than happy to criticise the police for all manner of reasons where it's warranted and often do.
The criticism of the initial response is unwarranted and actually unhelpful.
Unhelpful to whom?
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Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1642 on: February 12, 2020, 09:15:52 AM »
Unhelpful to whom?
Past tense. Unhelpful at the time.
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Offline kizzy

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1643 on: February 12, 2020, 12:13:29 PM »

You really do have this fixation that the victims of a crime are responsible for securing a crime scene ... at risk of repeating myself but most certainly repeating others with more than a passing acquaintance with investigating a crime ... it is the police who are responsible for securing a crime scene not contributing to it by not wearing gloves and as a result contaminating it by leaving fingerprints; smoking cigarettes and leaving ash behind; allowing police dogs to cast hair.

Sometimes Portuguese newspapers were indeed conflicting particularly when you have master criminals writing a daily column giving the latest on Madeleine's investigation in at least one of them.
I think he may be known as "a source close to the investigation" and there is little doubt he had an agenda going which had little to do with finding Madeleine.


Well the 20 odd people trampling round in there won't have helped either

IMO the mcns didn't do exactly what they should have done either.

Don't forget kmcn knew straight away Maddie had been abducted.

Yet ran out of the apartment leaving twins alone.

Waited 40 mins before contacting the police.

Failed to get twins checked out - even though she had to check if they were breathing or not

Why do you continually blame everyone else - for a tragedy that should never have happened.

No matter what you come back with three children of that age should never have been left on there own

not even for five minutes let alone how long they were left.

You go on about leaving ash behind - the mcns left three children behind.

Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1644 on: February 12, 2020, 12:18:48 PM »

Well the 20 odd people trampling round in there won't have helped either

IMO the mcns didn't do exactly what they should have done either.

Don't forget kmcn knew straight away Maddie had been abducted.

Yet ran out of the apartment leaving twins alone.

Waited 40 mins before contacting the police.

Failed to get twins checked out - even though she had to check if they were breathing or not

Why do you continually blame everyone else - for a tragedy that should never have happened.

No matter what you come back with three children of that age should never have been left on there own

not even for five minutes let alone how long they were left.

You go on about leaving ash behind - the mcns left three children behind.
Yeh, that's gotta burn.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1645 on: February 12, 2020, 01:14:38 PM »
a child missing from their bed with a window open is perhaps another story

Who saw this open window with Kate's fingerprints on?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline barrier

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1646 on: February 12, 2020, 02:58:12 PM »
a child missing from their bed with a window open is perhaps another story
That's the tale,but what words were used when the call to the police occured,and who got through.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1647 on: February 12, 2020, 03:22:42 PM »
That's the tale,but what words were used when the call to the police occured,and who got through.

According to Emma Knight John Hill called the police.

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

According to John Hill he arrived on site at 22:33. As the first call to the police was 22:41 that makes sense.  He then went to main reception to check that the police had been called. Perhaps that's when the second call was made, at 22:52.
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Offline kizzy

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1648 on: February 12, 2020, 03:41:29 PM »
According to Emma Knight John Hill called the police.

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

According to John Hill he arrived on site at 22:33. As the first call to the police was 22:41 that makes sense.  He then went to main reception to check that the police had been called. Perhaps that's when the second call was made, at 22:52.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm
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Strange when kmc knew straight away Maddie had been abducted - the delay in calling the police

Could possibly be in my opinion -  more time was needed for some reason

Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1649 on: February 12, 2020, 03:42:46 PM »
According to Emma Knight John Hill called the police.

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

According to John Hill he arrived on site at 22:33. As the first call to the police was 22:41 that makes sense.  He then went to main reception to check that the police had been called. Perhaps that's when the second call was made, at 22:52.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P11/11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_3051.jpg
So the time between Kate raising the alarm and the police (by John Hill, not the parents) being called is a longer duration than from when the call was received and the police arrived.
In the meantime, prior to the police arriving (quite promptly), every man and his cat had traipsed through the apartment, perhaps in a well-meaning manner, looking for MM.
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