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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1650 on: February 12, 2020, 05:46:25 PM »
During this time Kate was punching & kicking walls, wailing about the f***ing b***ards that took Maddie, & running around the car park wishing she'd dressed her in long sleeved pyjamas.

A figure had been spotted carrying an inert child dressed in pyjamas.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1651 on: February 12, 2020, 06:42:29 PM »
So the time between Kate raising the alarm and the police (by John Hill, not the parents) being called is a longer duration than from when the call was received and the police arrived.
In the meantime, prior to the police arriving (quite promptly), every man and his cat had traipsed through the apartment, perhaps in a well-meaning manner, looking for MM.

According to 'madeleine' Gerry asked Matthew to 'go back' to the main reception at 22:35 to find out what was happening. Matthew doesn't confirm this. As it says that Gerry himself had checked out the Mini Club for Madeleine one wonders why he didn't call into reception himself. John Hill appeared at the veranda and was yelled at 'Where are the police?' I would have yelled that at Matthew, I think. Twice he was supposed to have called them. The McCann's friends were 'were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there.'
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Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1652 on: February 12, 2020, 08:20:46 PM »
According to 'madeleine' Gerry asked Matthew to 'go back' to the main reception at 22:35 to find out what was happening. Matthew doesn't confirm this. As it says that Gerry himself had checked out the Mini Club for Madeleine one wonders why he didn't call into reception himself. John Hill appeared at the veranda and was yelled at 'Where are the police?' I would have yelled that at Matthew, I think. Twice he was supposed to have called them. The McCann's friends were 'were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there.'
Maybe they all didn't have mobile signal.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1653 on: February 12, 2020, 08:29:59 PM »
Maybe they all didn't have mobile signal.

Kate had good signal the night before didn't she?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1654 on: February 12, 2020, 08:40:18 PM »
Maybe they all didn't have mobile signal.

They managed to telephone friends, relatives and government departments without any bother.

It's difficult to work out when Emma Knight arrived at 5A. Assuming that she was at the Tapas complex at 22:33 when John Hill arrived she says she did some searches (10 minutes?) then Mr Hill sent her to 5A. Only Kate McCann and Fiona Payne were there, in the main bedroom, crying. The twins were asleep in the front bedroom and the door was half open. Then Gerry arrived through the patio doors with Russell. Nobody has mentioned where they had been. Emma phoned John Hill who told her the police were on their way. She says they arrived at midnight, but they say they arrived at 11pm ish.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1655 on: February 12, 2020, 08:54:11 PM »
Gosh, what could it all mean, eh?  Only one thing: guilty. as. sin. 
You really do sound like a bunch of old gossips at the garden fence imo, hope you’re enjoying yourselves.
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Offline sadie

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1656 on: February 12, 2020, 10:23:02 PM »
According to Emma Knight John Hill called the police.

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

According to John Hill he arrived on site at 22:33. As the first call to the police was 22:41 that makes sense.  He then went to main reception to check that the police had been called. Perhaps that's when the second call was made, at 22:52.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P11/11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_3051.jpg

Yep, and didn't one of the waiters claim to have called the police too?  Anyone know what time that was ?  Early on IIRC.


Please correct me if I am wrong.


ETA

I can no longer go wading thru reams of text and after about 24 hours posted, nobody has confirmed what i thought I remembered.  Therefore I ask please for the mods to delete this post and any associated. 
I do not wish to start any myths.




If, at any time in the future, some mention comes up of an earlier call to the Police, then maybe I will re-instate it, because I do really feel that I read it somewhere.

Thanks to Gunit and Mr General, sir. for their responces.  Much appreciated.


Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1657 on: February 13, 2020, 08:19:10 AM »
Yep, and didn't one of the waiters claim to have called the police too?  Anyone know what time that was ?  Early on IIRC.


Please correct me if I am wrong.
I've been through my extensive archive and can't find the account you refer to.
The waiter 'Campos' does mention that he overheard an English employee of the OC asking to use the phone at around 22.30, which corroborates John Hill's statement.
The two Salcedas brothers, Baptista, Oliveira, Barroso, Todorov and Young - all waiters - do not mention this in their accounts.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1658 on: February 13, 2020, 09:55:48 AM »
Yep, and didn't one of the waiters claim to have called the police too?  Anyone know what time that was ?  Early on IIRC.


Please correct me if I am wrong.

I don't recall that. The receptionist mentioned someone calling him, but no phone call to the police followed;

was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
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Offline The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1659 on: February 13, 2020, 09:31:29 PM »
I don't recall that. The receptionist mentioned someone calling him, but no phone call to the police followed;

was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
I cannot find this account that Sadie refers to, despite my best efforts.
The exercise was not in vain, however, as I decided to strike a line through the timings discussed in all of the statements from the various kitchen / restaurant staff - 10pm seems to be the consensus of when the initial alarm / commotion / hubbub commenced according to them.
It was also useful to note that the party drank well in to the night on occasion, according to the witness testimony, sometimes until 01.00 am.
If you had a dog left alone in an unusual, foreign environment, you would start fretting about it's welfare after 3 or 4 hours, surely?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1660 on: February 13, 2020, 10:29:22 PM »
I cannot find this account that Sadie refers to, despite my best efforts.
The exercise was not in vain, however, as I decided to strike a line through the timings discussed in all of the statements from the various kitchen / restaurant staff - 10pm seems to be the consensus of when the initial alarm / commotion / hubbub commenced according to them.
It was also useful to note that the party drank well in to the night on occasion, according to the witness testimony, sometimes until 01.00 am.
If you had a dog left alone in an unusual, foreign environment, you would start fretting about it's welfare after 3 or 4 hours, surely?
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Offline Anthro

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1661 on: March 23, 2020, 08:57:28 PM »
It has just been announced that our country is in lockdown for 21 days. Since we have good weather, I decided to bring my 85-year-old Dad to the coast last Friday, to relax and say his farewell to my Mom who passed two years ago. We are 900 km from home and will make our way back on Wednesday. Thursday, midnight is cut-off.

The following: I am hesitant to upload pictures due to the negative response and hostility previously. Has it been considered that Luisa Camara Todorov’s son, Francisco Camara, might have information relating to Madeleine’s disappearance?

I will share pictures if Admin agrees.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1662 on: March 24, 2020, 02:30:13 PM »
It has just been announced that our country is in lockdown for 21 days. Since we have good weather, I decided to bring my 85-year-old Dad to the coast last Friday, to relax and say his farewell to my Mom who passed two years ago. We are 900 km from home and will make our way back on Wednesday. Thursday, midnight is cut-off.

The following: I am hesitant to upload pictures due to the negative response and hostility previously. Has it been considered that Luisa Camara Todorov’s son, Francisco Camara, might have information relating to Madeleine’s disappearance?

I will share pictures if Admin agrees.

Why do you think that Anthro?
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Offline Anthro

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1663 on: March 24, 2020, 09:10:58 PM »
Why do you think that Anthro?
Hallo Miss Taken, although the Bulgarian connection/Todorov/woman in purple seen by two people on the street facing 5A hours before Madeleine disappeared have been dismissed in 2017, I am wondering if there is perhaps more to it. Luisa C was a waitress at the Millennium/Mirage restaurant at the time. If I recall correctly, the group had dinner there on their first night in PdL. Her husband, Stefan T worked in the kitchen at the Tapas adjacent to 5A where the group had dinner for the remainder of their vacation. He was also responsible for the outside area, i.e. the pool, chairs at the pool etc. They all live in Almadena, which is adjacent to PdL. Luisa’s son is Francisco C, a drifter, doing drugs and travelling the world cf. his profile on Facebook, which is only accessible through his mother’s profile. I went back to Gail Cooper’s description of the charity collector for the orphanage in Espiche, and as sketched by Melissa Little. To me, there is a resemblance. I’ll share some pictures and will abide if Admin finds them inappropriate and libelous. Ps. José de Silva, the Ocean Club driver, identified by Heri through the mobile records, was doing the run to and from to Faro Airport, is a facebook friend of F. Camara.

Offline Anthro

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #1664 on: March 24, 2020, 09:18:23 PM »
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