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Offline The General

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1290 on: November 08, 2019, 07:31:04 AM »
How many people in Portugal or posters on this forum/other social media platforms would have considered still looking for Madeleine after the publication of Amaral's book & watching the documentary? Very often documentaries are the most influential in shaping opinions of the uninitiated.
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Offline jassi

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1291 on: November 08, 2019, 09:05:09 AM »
The PJ files shouldn't have been on the internet in the first place. One can only wonder why the Portuguese authorities took no action over this criminal offence.

One has to assume that they weren't too bothered.
Probably also realised that once published, there was little they could do about it.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Lace

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1292 on: November 08, 2019, 09:25:42 AM »
Miss Taken Identity

Why would I hate you for thinking the McCann's are guilty?    I don't know you,  you are just another poster posting on this forum.   It is debate,  that's all.


Offline Brietta

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1293 on: November 08, 2019, 09:37:14 AM »
How many people in Portugal or posters on this forum/other social media platforms would have considered still looking for Madeleine after the publication of Amaral's book & watching the documentary? Very often documentaries are the most influential in shaping opinions of the uninitiated.
Quite often documentaries are made with the sole objective of influencing public opinion based on the opinion and beliefs of the documentary maker.
Take for example the influence of documentaries on climate change; and take for example the fact that no-one bothered to look for Joana Cipriano after her mother's conviction for her murder, helped along by a police orchestrated vicious press campaign of which the one waged against the McCanns was a carbon copy.

Kate knew about the character assassination and had first hand experience of its ill effects on the search for Madeleine and knew the source, she said as much in her book
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That the misinformation was orchestrated by Amaral has been vehemently denied for years until journalist and presenter Sandra Felgueiras - described in Wikipedia as "best known for interviewing Kate and Gerry McCann about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann" - spoke in the Netflix documentary about how she had been 'used' by Amaral to distribute the propaganda he fed to her throughout his campaign directed against the McCanns while neglecting to concentrate on the search for Madeleine.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1294 on: November 08, 2019, 09:46:01 AM »

How are the public supposed to go about looking for Madeleine exactly?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1295 on: November 08, 2019, 09:52:10 AM »

Are we supposed to be eyeing up every blonde child we see?

Stopping them in the street & checking their eyes for a defect?
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Offline jassi

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1296 on: November 08, 2019, 09:54:00 AM »
Are we supposed to be eyeing up every blonde child we see?

Stopping them in the street & checking their eyes for a defect?


As hair colour is one of the easiest things to change, can't see that being very effective.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline barrier

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1297 on: November 08, 2019, 10:00:36 AM »
How are the public supposed to go about looking for Madeleine exactly?

SY were looking in the undergrowth, how is the public supposed to assist in this.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline G-Unit

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1298 on: November 08, 2019, 10:45:36 AM »
How are the public supposed to go about looking for Madeleine exactly?

The public responded by reporting sightings of every child who was even slightly similar and who, in the opinion of the reporter, looked unhappy. That wasn't helpful in any way shape or form; it wasted resources.
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Offline Brietta

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1299 on: November 08, 2019, 11:20:32 AM »
The public responded by reporting sightings of every child who was even slightly similar and who, in the opinion of the reporter, looked unhappy. That wasn't helpful in any way shape or form; it wasted resources.

As Kate says in her book ...
Snip
Sometimes ‘Madeleine’ has been seen in different countries, thousands of miles apart, on the same day.
These tip-offs needed to be sifted and any credible information followed up.
____________________________________________________________


What she did not know at time of writing was that Ricardo Paiva was in receipt of information which he filed as irrelevant to the case without bothering to follow leads which should have been followed up.


Portuguese police 'ignored Madeleine McCann leads'
Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010


Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.


"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”

The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.

The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.

Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.

"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.

“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.

"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.

"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline carlymichelle

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1300 on: November 08, 2019, 11:37:50 AM »
remember  little  boushka and how  supporters of the mcanns  thought she  was  maddie  i   remember reading that poor little girl  was  traumatised     she didnt even look like maddie

Offline pathfinder73

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1301 on: November 08, 2019, 12:44:48 PM »
As Kate says in her book ...
Snip
Sometimes ‘Madeleine’ has been seen in different countries, thousands of miles apart, on the same day.
These tip-offs needed to be sifted and any credible information followed up.
____________________________________________________________


What she did not know at time of writing was that Ricardo Paiva was in receipt of information which he filed as irrelevant to the case without bothering to follow leads which should have been followed up.


Portuguese police 'ignored Madeleine McCann leads'
Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010


Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.


"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”

The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.

The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.

Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.

"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.

“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.

"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.

"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

And the McCanns had trouble remembering any which is highly suspicious.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1302 on: November 08, 2019, 12:55:38 PM »
remember  little  boushka and how  supporters of the mcanns  thought she  was  maddie  i   remember reading that poor little girl  was  traumatised     she didnt even look like maddie

I remember the photograph very well even to the extent of remembering the child's name ... Bushra Binhisa ... I also remember wondering why anyone would think the little girl immediately traced by a reporter in the vastness of Morocco is the same little girl who appears in the tourist photograph?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1303 on: November 08, 2019, 12:58:18 PM »
I can't remember the details, but maybe the tourist photo wasn't all it was made out to be
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1304 on: November 08, 2019, 12:58:41 PM »
And the McCanns had trouble remembering any which is highly suspicious.
Cite please ... or maybe something to support how you arrived at forming your opinion.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....