KM's Paperback (PB)

[G-Unit]

One wonders why? 

Interesting guidelines from West Yorkshire Police in respect of officers testifying in civil cases:

"In  cases  where  there  are,  or likely  to  be,  criminal  proceedings  a  request  for interview  should  be  refused until  the  conclusion  of  the  criminal proceedings."

Was Leicestershire Constabulary as was then known considering such proceedings?

I suppose there was always the possibility that someone might eventually be charged with something. There was also the possibilty that no-one wanted de Freitas answering questions about what the UK police did, said and thought. That was why they lawyered up to stop that information being released in the PJ Files. Also all the UK police had to sign non-disclosure agreements.

[Erngath]

If Amaral had libelled the McCanns they would have won their case.

But as yet his Truth of the lie ??   has yet to be published  in the UK.
I do wonder why?
Actually I don't.

[misty]

The first part is the most difficult with ne'er a suspect to be seen.

I'll refer you to jassi's post,what were they looking for and how did it advance the case,some 12 months later the team was drastically cut to just four.

Suspects were seen within the vicinity of Block 5 on 3rd May, albeit without a child. Until all those people have been TIE'd, it's difficult to assert no suspect was ever seen.
SY utilised Geo-forensics to presumably rule out the possibility of Madeleine being buried in Luz at some stage after her disappearance.

[G-Unit]

How many people in Portugal or posters on this forum/other social media platforms would have considered still looking for Madeleine after the publication of Amaral's book & watching the documentary? Very often documentaries are the most influential in shaping opinions of the uninitiated.

No-one needed to read the book or watch the documentary, they just needed to read the PJ Files and watch the McCanns documentaries and interviews imo. Had the McCanns ignored Amaral his book and documentary probably wouldn't have appeared on the internet.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I suppose there was always the possibility that someone might eventually be charged with something. There was also the possibilty that no-one wanted de Freitas answering questions about what the UK police did, said and thought. That was why they lawyered up to stop that information being released in the PJ Files. Also all the UK police had to sign non-disclosure agreements.

I always wondered if anything is uncovered which the PJ are unaware of would the UK police pass it on.  Amaral did complain about the Uk police being too involved. I am almost certain there is more to this story from the UKl side.

Lace: "You through your posts show you don't believe the McCann's that Madeleine was abducted, "

No, that is not true- stop trying to make me into something for you to hate. I have consistantly said "I do not believe the parents acccount of what happened to MBM regarding the abduction from the apartment"
 
 "so why shouldn't anyone ask you how the McCann's disposed of Madeleine's body."


They shouldn't ask because they  have no right to demand I answer their questions, secondly, where have I claimed there is a body and the McCanns disposed of it?
 I wasn't there so I don't know OK.

"Surely you must have some idea or you wouldn't be posting about how there was no whooshing curtains,  the abduction didn't happen would you? "

Just because you do not understand my reasons for posting here, does not give you the right to assume you know. I do not require your permission or validation on what I do or say on any issue.

I have no idea what happened to MBM as I wasn't there. I have read many theories, some good some off the planet  and the whooshing curtain scenario as described by Kate is  NON starter for me.

[Miss Taken Identity]

No-one needed to read the book or watch the documentary, they just needed to read the PJ Files and watch the McCanns documentaries and interviews imo. Had the McCanns ignored Amaral his book and documentary probably wouldn't have appeared on the internet.

Indeed. and I am aware that there was nofactual evidence of anyone actually looking for MBM who then stopped looking as soon as Amarals book was published-not in the Uk to stop British citizens looking.

No names were offered.  And unlike me, many thought she would be dead within the first week, Including her parents.

[misty]

Just curious misty, what has giving evidence about the Madeleine McCann case got to do with The Official Secrets Act?


ETA. I must declare an interest here in that I am bound by the Act.

I thought Section 4 would apply.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/4

[misty]

No-one needed to read the book or watch the documentary, they just needed to read the PJ Files and watch the McCanns documentaries and interviews imo. Had the McCanns ignored Amaral his book and documentary probably wouldn't have appeared on the internet.

The PJ files shouldn't have been on the internet in the first place. One can only wonder why the Portuguese authorities took no action over this criminal offence.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The PJ files shouldn't have been on the internet in the first place. One can only wonder why the Portuguese authorities took no action over this criminal offence.

Was it a criminal offence? is it more or less equal to the McCanns breaking secrecy law, and illegally employing PI's to find out information-  which included interfereing with witneses? All the while getting their version of accounts all over the internet just as they liked - they wanted  it to be a global phenomenon- can't for the life of me think why. On the other hand more people know =more money.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I always wondered if anything is uncovered which the PJ are unaware of would the UK police pass it on.  Amaral did complain about the Uk police being too involved. I am almost certain there is more to this story from the UKl side.

Lace: "You through your posts show you don't believe the McCann's that Madeleine was abducted, "

No, that is not true- stop trying to make me into something for you to hate. I have consistantly said "I do not believe the parents acccount of what happened to MBM regarding the abduction from the apartment"
 
 "so why shouldn't anyone ask you how the McCann's disposed of Madeleine's body."


They shouldn't ask because they  have no right to demand I answer their questions, secondly, where have I claimed there is a body and the McCanns disposed of it?
 I wasn't there so I don't know OK.

"Surely you must have some idea or you wouldn't be posting about how there was no whooshing curtains,  the abduction didn't happen would you? "

Just because you do not understand my reasons for posting here, does not give you the right to assume you know. I do not require your permission or validation on what I do or say on any issue.

I have no idea what happened to MBM as I wasn't there. I have read many theories, some good some off the planet  and the whooshing curtain scenario as described by Kate is  NON starter for me.

No one has demanded you answer but we have the right to question your views, even if doing so makes you uncomfortable and elicits no straight answers.

[G-Unit]

Just curious misty, what has giving evidence about the Madeleine McCann case got to do with The Official Secrets Act?


ETA. I must declare an interest here in that I am bound by the Act.

I remember signing something about secrets as an MOD employee abroad. Trouble was I didn't know if I knew any secrets.

[G-Unit]

The PJ files shouldn't have been on the internet in the first place. One can only wonder why the Portuguese authorities took no action over this criminal offence.

Kate McCann was very upset that the PJ files were released to the media for some reason. She never quite grasped the idea that Portugal was another country with a different culture and different laws imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Kate McCann was very upset that the PJ files were released to the media for some reason. She never quite grasped the idea that Portugal was another country with a different culture and different laws imo.

I think she was upset because they were illegally posted on the net, nothing to do with her grasp or otherwise of Portuguese culture.

[sadie]

Some might suggest an outlandish Ashkenazic Bloodline theory is sad too. Innit?

Amazing how  after their initial scepticism, The Police became so interested, innit?
 
... but it is not quite what you are saying, anyhow.  The Ashkenazic Jewish bloodlines may, or maybe not, be involved' especially if certain important members of The Knights of Malta are Jewish.

But as they initially were set up supposedly to protect Christians on their missions to visit the Holy Land on their dangerous trek across Europe, one wonders? 
Now, were Jesus and St John The Baptist Ashkenazic?  I cant remember now, but I rather think they were.

According to the internet The Queen is/was titular Sovereign head of The Knights of Malta / Hospitalier / St John. 
I am certainly not thinking, or suggesting, that she was involved in any way with Madeleines abduction.



Considering how bizarre my main theory appears and i acknowledge that, I must have presented a host of pretty convincing provable facts for The Police to have taken it on board as they did, imo. 



Are you Ashkenazic, The General?  Recently discovered, I think I have some Ashkenazic roots.         Shalom

[sadie]

I find your entire post total rubbish. Imo... SY will simply follow the evidence

Sorry, Davel but I have to agree with Holly here.

The  Americans did research into people with the most suitable skills for solving complex, non run of the mill crimes.

They wrote a deeply researched paper on it.  They realised that whilst the plice had skill sets in abundance for general polce work and solving of cases, they did not have the skill sets for unusual long standing complex cases.

They argued that the best people to solve cases such as Madeleines were *Design Engineers*.  I have lost this paper.

There were a number of reasons given, but it is obvious that

1)  Good designers look at everything, and in detail before fitting the pieces toether.  They assemble different ideas before starting
2)  They also think laterally as well as vertically.  Most police Officers think vertically and not laterally, as they are trained to do. 
3)  Engineers are precise about detail and as designers make sure that the base (datum) line to their thoughts are totally sound before adding more. 
4)  They reject anything that is not sound.


This is an unsatisfactory list as it only includes a few of the advantages that Design Engineers have over Police Officers.


I had this advantage because, as many of you know, I was a trained Design Engineer.   Perhaps that helped me sort it?  Later I was an art teacher and have a trained eye, so notice visual anomolies when others don't.  That helped too.


Am tired now and fear this post isn't very well composed, but I am unable to improve it because I must get some sleep


Nigh night