KM's Paperback (PB)

[Brietta]

Possibly pray a little less.
I'm reminded of an article I read recently about Bruce Springsteen and his Catholic faith.
There was a quote from him which is very true.
However I Will have to find it again.

Off Topic so I will be in trouble ... don't know that one if it is recent, but I know of at least one quote from his music which I will not repeat here because I think it blasphemous but I have always known that much of his career reflects his faith in very many ways.

[Robittybob1]

I don't think KM's quote is meant literally eg page 20..."God knows where that come from..." re some childhood idea of wanting to be a haematologist.

"God knows"  is an expression.  Maybe similar to "who knows".

[G-Unit]

That is exactly what most Catholics do, turn to their faith and prayer in times of trouble.

Like a spiritual insurance policy?

[Brietta]

Do you have a cite?  And specifically a cite for the point under discussion?

It was obvious that at every stage of the process the scope for mistakes in translation and misunderstandings
was considerable.
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We were concerned that parts of the statements we had made to the Portuguese police, especially on that first day, might have been lost in translation. We also felt that these accounts were not sufficiently thorough and wanted to have every detail we could remember registered properly.
Unfortunately, in our haste to pass the newstatements on to the PJ, we made the mistake of assuming that the transcripts would be correct and discovered only many months later that these, too, contained inaccuracies
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Just two to be going on with, there are plenty more ... for example Davel has already identified the hassle Kate had from a translator on one occasion.

[Erngath]

Like a spiritual insurance policy?

That may be your interpretation and opnion of why people pray and turn to their faith.
It's not an opinion I share.

[Robittybob1]

So what's in it for God if he only has to listen to peoples' troubles? 

Pre MM's disappearance KM does not refer to religion playing any part in her life other than the normal childhood stuff eg attending Catholic schools, mass on Sundays and going along with what she was told by those around her.  Thereafter she refers to her friend Father Paul Seddon marrying her and baptizing MM.

KM moved away from Liverpool during the 80's when she started her medi degree at Dundee uni.  Upon graduating she then lived in Glasgow, New Zealand and Holland before settling in Leicester but she doesn't mention seeking out churches in these places. 

She does say at times church took a back seat and adds it was always there in the background a source of comfort, refuge and support.  It seems to me its all take and no give in this relationship with God?

 

I see your point, but to me, a relationship with God has nothing to do with going to church.  It is more subtle than that.

[Brietta]

Like a spiritual insurance policy?

I don't think you fully appreciate how most Catholics view their faith which is the mainstay of how one lives daily life while bearing in mind the presence of God in all of it.
Absolutely not an easy thing to accomplish but with daily practice becomes second nature.

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a cite?  And specifically a cite for the point under discussion?

I've provided the cite many times... Kate.. In her book... Says because of the errors they made new statements to Control Risks Group... Which were passed on to the PJ

[Holly Goodhead]

I see your point, but to me, a relationship with God has nothing to do with going to church.  It is more subtle than that.

Ok fair enough but what exactly does anyone get out of the sort of relationship KM has with God other than as she said it provides her with a source of comfort, refuge and support. 

I like to think if I get something out of a relationship I put back at least some token gesture.

Imagine having a group of friends who only called upon you to provide a source of comfort, refuge and support.  I might well consider them users and dump them. 

[Mr Gray]

Ok fair enough but what exactly does anyone get out of the sort of relationship KM has with God other than as she said it provides her with a source of comfort, refuge and support. 

I like to think if I get something out of a relationship I put back at least some token gesture.

Imagine having a group of friends who only called upon you to provide a source of comfort, refuge and support.  I might well consider them users and dump them.

Google the prodigal son

[Holly Goodhead]

It was obvious that at every stage of the process the scope for mistakes in translation and misunderstandings
was considerable.
_________________________________________
We were concerned that parts of the statements we had made to the Portuguese police, especially on that first day, might have been lost in translation. We also felt that these accounts were not sufficiently thorough and wanted to have every detail we could remember registered properly.
Unfortunately, in our haste to pass the newstatements on to the PJ, we made the mistake of assuming that the transcripts would be correct and discovered only many months later that these, too, contained inaccuracies
_________________________________________


Just two to be going on with, there are plenty more ... for example Davel has already identified the hassle Kate had from a translator on one occasion.

That maybe so but there's nothing specifically from KM, or GM, anywhere to the effect that translators were responsible for misinterpreting GM's initial claim that he was using the front door to check on the children and not the patio doors. 

[Mr Gray]

I see your point, but to me, a relationship with God has nothing to do with going to church.  It is more subtle than that.

Not every religion believes in god... There is certainly one aetheistic religion

[Holly Goodhead]

I've provided the cite many times... Kate.. In her book... Says because of the errors they made new statements to Control Risks Group... Which were passed on to the PJ

Please quote a page number from KM's PB re translators responsible for misunderstanding GM's initial claim of checking the children via the secured front door when in fact what he really mean was the unsecured patio doors. 

[Mr Gray]

Please quote a page number from KM's PB re translators responsible for misunderstanding GM's initial claim of checking the children via the secured front door when in fact what he really mean was the unsecured patio doors.

Could you point out where I've made that claim.. I don't need to provide a cite fir something I haven't said

[Holly Goodhead]

Could you point out where I've made that claim.. I don't need to provide a cite fir something I haven't said

Great.  We agree.