KM's Paperback (PB)

[Mr Gray]

Great.  We agree.

Agree on what... It's quite possible that there, was, an error in translation as Kate refers to many errors in translation in her book... So we agree on that

[G-Unit]

I don't think you fully appreciate how most Catholics view their faith which is the mainstay of how one lives daily life while bearing in mind the presence of God in all of it.
Absolutely not an easy thing to accomplish but with daily practice becomes second nature.

How do you know how 'most Catholics' view their faith?

[Holly Goodhead]

Agree on what... It's quite possible that there, was, an error in translation as Kate refers to many errors in translation in her book... So we agree on that

Police investigators consider egress and ingress very important aspects of criminal investigations where the soc involves the perp(s) entering a property to commit a crime he/she had no right to be in. 

Do you have any specific evidence from GM or KM that translators were responsible for misinterpreting GM's claims whereby he initially stated he checked on the children via the secured front door and not the unsecured patio doors as KM always claimed and GM also claimed at a later date?  What evidence, if any, exists to show that this misunderstanding was down to translators? 

 

[Mr Gray]

Police investigators consider egress and ingress very important aspects of criminal investigations where the soc involves the perp(s) entering a property to commit a crime he/she had no right to be in. 

Do you have any specific evidence from GM or KM that translators were responsible for misinterpreting GM's claims whereby he initially stated he checked on the children via the secured front door and not the unsecured patio doors as KM always claimed and GM also claimed at a later date?  What evidence, if any, exists to show that this misunderstanding was down to translators? 

 

The evidence is that there were mistakes in the translations due to the manner in which they were taken.
It is therefore possible that the mistake was not gerrys but the translators

We have absolutely no way of knowing

[Holly Goodhead]

The evidence is that there were mistakes in the translations due to the manner in which they were taken.
It is therefore possible that the mistake was not gerrys but the translators

We have absolutely no way of knowing

The same translators did not seem to misunderstand/misinterpret KM's in this regard.

And if the problem was down to translation why wouldn't KM/GM highlight this crucial aspect of translation which sent GNR/PJ down a false trail.   

[Brietta]

How do you know how 'most Catholics' view their faith?

I know enough to know there is no such thing as a "spiritual insurance policy" as you have posted.

[Mr Gray]

The same translators did not seem to misunderstand/misinterpret KM's in this regard.

And if the problem was down to translation why wouldn't KM/GM highlight this crucial aspect of translation which sent GNR/PJ down a false trail.

You can speculate as much as you like... It simply cannot be shown wIth any degree of certainty that it was not a translation error

[John]

You can speculate as much as you like... It simply cannot be shown wIth any degree of certainty that it was not a translation error

But it can, it is clearly indicated in GM's statements in words which cannot possibly be a translation error. There is only one door that can be locked and unlocked from the outside and that is the front door leading to the car park. Similarly, there is only one sliding door into the lounge and that is the rear patio door.


G McCann Police Statement 11.15am on 4th May 2007

"As usual, every half hour and as the restaurant was near, the witness or his wife, would check whether the children were all right. In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left..."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm


G McCann Police Statement  3.20pm on 10th May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

"At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.

----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge..."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_891.jpg



Somehow I don't think one can blame an interpreter/translator for those words.

[Mr Gray]

It is clearly indicated in GM's statements...


G McCann Police Statement 11.15am on 4th May 2007

"As usual, every half hour and as the restaurant was near, the witness or his wife, would check whether the children were all right. In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left..."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm


G McCann Police Statement  3.20pm on 10th May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

"At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.

----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge..."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_891.jpg



Somehow I don't think one can blame a translator for those words.

The translator may be putting the blame on Gerry to avoid criticism of himself... Without transcript s in English we simply cannot be sure

[Holly Goodhead]

It is clearly indicated in GM's statements...


G McCann Police Statement 11.15am on 4th May 2007

"As usual, every half hour and as the restaurant was near, the witness or his wife, would check whether the children were all right. In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left..."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm


G McCann Police Statement  3.20pm on 10th May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

"At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.

----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge..."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_891.jpg



Somehow I don't think one can blame an interpreter/translator for those words.

Thanks John.  So I think its safe to say GM was in error not the interpreter/translator. 

[Mr Gray]

Thanks John.  So I think its safe to say GM was in error not the interpreter/translator.

You can say what you like but you cannot show beyond doubt it is true

[John]

Thanks John.  So I think its safe to say GM was in error not the interpreter/translator.

Just as he was in error when he claimed where he met Jez.  Simple basic errors which poses the question as to what other details were recalled incorrectly and more importantly, why?

I know exactly why he claimed to have used the locked front door but when it was established that the key to the door had been left in the apartment then a change of strategy was required.

[Mr Gray]

Just as he was in error when he claimed where he met Jez.  Simple basic errors which poses the question as to what other details were recalled incorrectly and more importantly, why?

Sceptics lay great importance on what they see as errors yet the PJ say there is no evidence against them.. And I think it's crystal clear the parents are not involved

[John]

Sceptics lay great importance on what they see as errors yet the PJ say there is no evidence against them.. And I think it's crystal clear the parents are not involved

I agree to the extent that I personally don't go with 'the parents dun it' theory but they were involved in as much as they were responsible for the child and failed her.

[Holly Goodhead]

You can say what you like but you cannot show beyond doubt it is true

It begs the question if it isn't true why the McCanns didn't sing it from the roof tops?   It caused the GNR officers to go down the woke and wandered route since they were led to believe 5A was secured from within and it showed no signs of forced entry.