KM's Paperback (PB)

[Holly Goodhead]

It's a book written after studying the files e.g she could now explain her fingerprints by now looking out of the window which was not in her original statements. Nothing like hindsight! They don't mention why they deleted mobile records and received new mobiles on 4 May 2007 or the reason for all her mobile activity on Tuesday quiz night etc. Some say it was to do with Gerry's flirting with the quiz girl. Gerry stormed off the next night - was that connected to quiz night and the real reason why Kate slept in the spare bed?

According to KM's PB, GM has a reputation as a 'ladies man'!

[Holly Goodhead]

According to Kate's book she and her husband learned a lot about the abduction of children after their daughter disappeared. Very early on they decided that something should be done;

3rd June 2007
We discussed the need we felt to do our utmost to prevent this from happening to another child; to prevent another family from having to go through what we were going through. We had to ensure that something positive for someone, even if it wasn’t us, came out of this horrific experience. [madeleine]

I wonder what they have been doing to help? Especially during the years since Operation Grange took over the 'search for Madeleine'.

Sounds simple enough don't leave them home alone and if you can't help yourself then at least lock the doors!

[pathfinder73]

According to KM's PB, GM has a reputation as a 'ladies man'!

Of course as there would be many witnesses to back it up. A good part is when they try and make Tannerman and Smithman the same person (he obviously had a hair cut in between sightings)  and then reveal that Jane saw Gerry at the first sighting to rule him out. SY have ruled out the first sighting!

[Brietta]

Not really just highlighting the hypocrisy re Catholicism and sex ie solely for procreation!

Not really just highlighting the fact that had the McCanns been teenage parents and working/underclass in all probability they would have received short shrift for leaving their children in such perilous circumstances as opposed to phone calls from the PM's wife wanting to assist.

In my opinion your post smacks as an example of religious bigotry try to justify it how you will. 

The conversation with Cherie Blair as recounted by Kate McCann makes absolutely no reference to either Catholicism or sex.

Why would it?
Extraordinary that their Catholic faith and what you suppose are their resultant sexual practices were the first thought for you to post about and a matter for discussion.  Totally ignoring that the purpose of the phone call was one woman concerned enough about another mother to make contact to direct her to an organisation offering practical assistance in her hour of need.

You have absolutely no idea beyond the prejudices which you are happy - nay, eager to place in the public domain, about what actions Prime Ministers' wives might take upon themselves to pursue ... for example Samantha Cameron assisted the homeless for many years:  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/samantha-cameron-regularly-makes-breakfast-for-homeless-people-in-london-9898381.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

And who enforces them?

Whatever you’re suggesting it is hardly the fault of the McCanns is it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

According to Kate's book she and her husband learned a lot about the abduction of children after their daughter disappeared. Very early on they decided that something should be done;

3rd June 2007
We discussed the need we felt to do our utmost to prevent this from happening to another child; to prevent another family from having to go through what we were going through. We had to ensure that something positive for someone, even if it wasn’t us, came out of this horrific experience. [madeleine]

I wonder what they have been doing to help? Especially during the years since Operation Grange took over the 'search for Madeleine'.

Well they went on a massive publicity drive to ensure that as many people as possible knew about the case, (which is now the most widely known Missing Persons case ever) to highlight the issue of stranger abduction, they hired detectives that uncovered other incidents of stranger intrusion into holiday apartments which were subsequently investigated by OG, after they had pleaded with the government to get Madeleine’s case reviewed, then there’s Kate’s work with Missing People charity, what else do you feel they should have been doing?

[Holly Goodhead]

In my opinion your post smacks as an example of religious bigotry try to justify it how you will. 

The conversation with Cherie Blair as recounted by Kate McCann makes absolutely no reference to either Catholicism or sex.

Why would it?
Extraordinary that their Catholic faith and what you suppose are their resultant sexual practices were the first thought for you to post about and a matter for discussion.  Totally ignoring that the purpose of the phone call was one woman concerned enough about another mother to make contact to direct her to an organisation offering practical assistance in her hour of need.

You have absolutely no idea beyond the prejudices which you are happy - nay, eager to place in the public domain, about what actions Prime Ministers' wives might take upon themselves to pursue ... for example Samantha Cameron assisted the homeless for many years:  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/samantha-cameron-regularly-makes-breakfast-for-homeless-people-in-london-9898381.html

According to KM's PB she received a call from CB with a view to introducing her to Catherine Meyer who had been separated from her sons due to a custody dispute with her former husband.  The two situations could hardly be more different.  CM was separated from her sons through no fault of her own.  The McCanns are separated from MM because they chose to leave her alone night after night for hours at a time in an unlocked holiday apartment. 

KM and CB both claim to be Catholics and both wrote books which touched on their sex lives.  The Catholic church makes quite clear its position on sex outside marriage, contraception, assisted conception and a range of other matters surrounding sexuality many of which CB and KM are happy to openly flout and let the whole world and his dog know about it. 

Even Pope Benedict XV1 was happy to overcome his aversion to assisted conception by blessing a photo of MM.  Pity he can't do the same for Africans and advocate using condoms to reduce the spread of HIV.

No idea what SamCam's support of the homeless has got to do with anything?

[Holly Goodhead]

Whatever you’re suggesting it is hardly the fault of the McCanns is it?

Its the sheer hypocrisy that gets to me.

P157:

A colleague of GM's put them, GM/KM, in touch with a firm of international lawyers specialising in family law:

"After examining the proximity of the Tapas restaurant to apartment 5A, the barrister first of all assured us that our behaviour could not be deemed negligent and was indeed 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting".

Was the barrister aware the patio doors were unlocked?  In any event the above completely contradicts  guidelines from NSPCC:

https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/keeping-children-safe/leaving-child-home-alone

[Holly Goodhead]

For me reading KM's book everything is clouded by the fact they left MM night after night for hours at a time in an unlocked holiday apartment.  Had the McCanns been teenage parents from dysfunctional backgrounds I would absolve them of all responsibility on the basis of immaturity and in all probability an absence of good parenting role models but nothing could be further from the truth with the McCanns. 

Was it a case that up until MM disappeared their lives had been so gilded they were unable to conceive of anything going wrong?  Or did they have such a sense of entitlement they thought they could and should have it all and not have to make any compromises?   

[G-Unit]

For me reading KM's book everything is clouded by the fact they left MM night after night for hours at a time in an unlocked holiday apartment.  Had the McCanns been teenage parents from dysfunctional backgrounds I would absolve them of all responsibility on the basis of immaturity and in all probability an absence of good parenting role models but nothing could be further from the truth with the McCanns. 

Was it a case that up until MM disappeared their lives had been so gilded they were unable to conceive of anything going wrong?  Or did they have such a sense of entitlement they thought they could and should have it all and not have to make any compromises?

I think the sense of entitlement is clear to see in Kate McCann's book. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

It's a book written after studying the files e.g she could now explain her fingerprints by now looking out of the window which was not in her original statements. Nothing like hindsight! They don't mention why they deleted mobile records and received new mobiles on 4 May 2007 or the reason for all her mobile activity on Tuesday quiz night etc. Some say it was to do with Gerry's flirting with the quiz girl. Gerry stormed off the next night - was that connected to quiz night and the real reason why Kate slept in the spare bed?

Yes, Indeed Pathy.

they had time to see what was written so tthey could over write it with hindsight. Gerry claiming the abductor was in the apartment at the same time as him -only probem with that is no open windows or whoooshing for him

I believe That is the reason for kate not answering the questions and the silence pact from the T7 and the reconstruction. There was a huge chance of contradition- while still in Portgual. They were think less about MBM and more about their reputation.

[G-Unit]

In my opinion your post smacks as an example of religious bigotry try to justify it how you will. 

The conversation with Cherie Blair as recounted by Kate McCann makes absolutely no reference to either Catholicism or sex.

Why would it?
Extraordinary that their Catholic faith and what you suppose are their resultant sexual practices were the first thought for you to post about and a matter for discussion.  Totally ignoring that the purpose of the phone call was one woman concerned enough about another mother to make contact to direct her to an organisation offering practical assistance in her hour of need.

You have absolutely no idea beyond the prejudices which you are happy - nay, eager to place in the public domain, about what actions Prime Ministers' wives might take upon themselves to pursue ... for example Samantha Cameron assisted the homeless for many years:  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/samantha-cameron-regularly-makes-breakfast-for-homeless-people-in-london-9898381.html

I can't see what is bigoted or prejudicial about highlighting the fact that Catholics choose to ignore the Church's teachings when it's convenient.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Its the sheer hypocrisy that gets to me.

P157:

A colleague of GM's put them, GM/KM, in touch with a firm of international lawyers specialising in family law:

"After examining the proximity of the Tapas restaurant to apartment 5A, the barrister first of all assured us that our behaviour could not be deemed negligent and was indeed 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting".

Was the barrister aware the patio doors were unlocked?  In any event the above completely contradicts  guidelines from NSPCC:

https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/keeping-children-safe/leaving-child-home-alone

Whose hypocrisy?  Cherie Blair’s?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, Indeed Pathy.

they had time to see what was written so tthey could over write it with hindsight. Gerry claiming the abductor was in the apartment at the same time as him -only probem with that is no open windows or whoooshing for him

I believe That is the reason for kate not answering the questions and the silence pact from the T7 and the reconstruction. There was a huge chance of contradition- while still in Portgual. They were think less about MBM and more about their reputation.

So you don’t think there were any huge contradictions in the statements they all made in Portugal?  You completely dismiss judicial secrecy as a reason why the Tapas group did not give press interviews while the case was live?  Why do you think Gerry did answer all the PJ’s questions then?  Did he not get the memo?

[Miss Taken Identity]

I can't see what is bigoted or prejudicial about highlighting the fact that Catholics choose to ignore the Church's teachings when it's convenient.

Indeed G.  The pope visit was a great publicity stunt. The PR were in overdrive. I thought it to be if the pope himself can forgive them then everyone should -oops they made a wee mistake.

G does Kate mention in her book about judicial secrecy and how they broke it- again when it suited them.

The UK woke up to the story about a child being abducted from her bed- the window was the favoured entry and exit does Kate mention the window  being the main exit and entry as it was this what made her know her daughter was 'abducted'?