KM's Paperback (PB)

[Holly Goodhead]

RO trained as a lawyer so she might have first alerted the group as to whether all or any of them could potentially face charges of child neglect. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Is this the norm for hotels nowadays?

Just to add I wouldn't use the facility.

No idea but I don't think your typical hotel can be compared with 5A. 

[Erngath]

No idea but I don't think your typical hotel can be compared with 5A.

Why?
You leave your children in a locked bedroom, take the stairs or lift one, two or three or even more levels down.
You can't see the children, strangers will be walking by their room, possibly aware that there are children there asleep, alone.

The child could wake and there would be the same possible dangers which have been mentioned .
Just as unacceptable.

[Anthro]

“Parents leaving children in locked hotel rooms is completely different to what was going on at 5A.  And afaik when parents leave children in locked hotel rooms it is usually whilst they're on site usually dining in the hotel restaurant.  Effectively they are in the same building as the left children”.

I would be much more at ease to have my children sleeping in a space which is on the same level where dinner was had. In my opinion, with a hotel setup and the restaurant most probably on the inside of a ground or first floor level and children at e.g. 10th level, I would most definitely not leave them alone in a hotel room.

[Holly Goodhead]

Why?
You leave your children in a locked bedroom, take the stairs or lift one, two or three or even more levels down.
You can't see the children, strangers will be walking by their room, possibly aware that there are children there asleep, alone many times before?

The child could wake and there would be the same possible dangers which have been mentioned .
Just as unacceptable.

I doubt many guests leave their doors unlocked.  In fact fire regs would make it impossible to do so.  Most hotels have internal and external cctv.  If the room is above ground level a would be intruder would need to force entry by scaling an external wall or bashing a door in on the corridor. 

[Mr Gray]

I doubt many guests leave their doors unlocked.  In fact fire regs would make it impossible to do so.  Most hotels have internal and external cctv.  If the room is above ground level a would be intruder would need to force entry by scaling an external wall or bashing a door in on the corridor.

Still against NSPCC guidelines

[Holly Goodhead]

“Parents leaving children in locked hotel rooms is completely different to what was going on at 5A.  And afaik when parents leave children in locked hotel rooms it is usually whilst they're on site usually dining in the hotel restaurant.  Effectively they are in the same building as the left children”.

I would be much more at ease to have my children sleeping in a space which is on the same level where dinner was had. In my opinion, with a hotel setup and the restaurant most probably on the inside of a ground or first floor level and children at e.g. 10th level, I would most definitely not leave them alone in a hotel room.

But its all hypothetical.  Parents no doubt take into account the ages of the children and how safe they perceive the environment to be before deciding to leave or not.

[Holly Goodhead]

Still against NSPCC guidelines

Not necessarily.  It depends on the ages of children and set-up at hotel.

[Anthro]

In my experience, the younger children are, the more likely they are to settle and sleep after having had parental intervention and routine of eating, bathing, reading a story etc. When they go beyond the toddler stage, they become more at risk of getting up and walking around.

[Erngath]

I doubt many guests leave their doors unlocked.  In fact fire regs would make it impossible to do so.  Most hotels have internal and external cctv.  If the room is above ground level a would be intruder would need to force entry by scaling an external wall or bashing a door in on the corridor.

I cannot imagine leaving small children in a locked  hotel bedroom and going down several levels to eat.
Any member of staff could access the room,  any intruder worth his or her salt could easily gain access.

Just as unacceptable!

[Wonderfulspam]

Here's an idea from left field.

Eat dinner with your children.

Crazy, I know.

[Mr Gray]

Not necessarily.  It depends on the ages of children and set-up at hotel.

[Anthro]

“Eat dinner with your children”.

Within the context of a weeklong vacation abroad, to me it is reasonable and acceptable that all family members have their share of what the vacation has to offer. How is it wrong if you have assessed and were convinced your children are asleep and within an environment that you were regarding as no threat to their well-being, putting them to bed and allowing yourself to interact with your peers? Also, with the conviction that other guests were having the same arrangement with their children?

[Wonderfulspam]

“Eat dinner with your children”.

Within the context of a weeklong vacation abroad, to me it is reasonable and acceptable that all family members have their share of what the vacation has to offer. How is it wrong if you have assessed and were convinced your children are asleep and within an environment that you were regarding as no threat to their well-being, putting them to bed and allowing yourself to interact with your peers? Also, with the conviction that other guests were having the same arrangement with their children?

They were dumping the kids in the creche all day so they'd had plenty of me time IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

Did KM accompany GM when he carried out his circa 9 pm check?  Was she present when MM disappeared?  Was she with JT when she observed 'Tannerman'?  Did KM witness GM conversing with JW at circa 9 pm?  Was KM out and about during the early searches?  I could go on and on.  Her experiences in in PDL pre and post MM's disappearance are based on her version of events as she chooses to recite them based on many different factors including her perceptions.   

What do you expect her to base her book on?  Whose version of events should she have written about?  You do know she was there when it was all going off don’t you?  You seem to be criticising her for not being omnipresent now.