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[Anthro]

“They were dumping the kids in the creche all day so they'd had plenty of me time IMO“.

Obviously, you choose your destination according to what is on offer. How do you validate your assumption of “dumping the kids”? Are you assuming the McCann children were going to kids club because they were forced to go? Or, that they didn’t enjoy the experience. As far as I know, Madeleine’s last conversation with her Mom was her saying, “I had the best day ever”.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No need to carry out any such experiment when the McCanns clearly contradict each other:

Daytime - KM describes room as "very dark" - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

8.30 pm - GM "totally dark" - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

9.00 pm - GM thinks to himself how beautiful MM looked - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

10. 00 pm - KM unable to determine whether MM in bed or not as room so dark - shutter raised, window open, curtains whooshing

You choose to see contradictions without making any allowances for other circumstances- light conditions outside and inside the apartment for example.  Pardon the pun, but you simply don’t allow for any light and shade in the narrative, it’s all got to be black or white as far as you’re concerned.  A room can be described as very dark and yet it’s still possible to see things within it when you open a door and look in, or if some light is coming through from outside.  There is dark and then there is pitch black where you can’t see your hand on front of your face.  if you don’t accept this then it’s pointless continuing the discussion. 

[Wonderfulspam]

“They were dumping the kids in the creche all day so they'd had plenty of me time IMO“.

Obviously, you choose your destination according to what is on offer. How do you validate your assumption of “dumping the kids”? Are you assuming the McCann children were going to kids club because they were forced to go? Or, that they didn’t enjoy the experience. As far as I know, Madeleine’s last conversation with her Mom was her saying, “I had the best day ever”.

That's according to Kate.

I take anything she claims with a mountain of salt.
 

[jassi]

“They were dumping the kids in the creche all day so they'd had plenty of me time IMO“.

Obviously, you choose your destination according to what is on offer. How do you validate your assumption of “dumping the kids”? Are you assuming the McCann children were going to kids club because they were forced to go? Or, that they didn’t enjoy the experience. As far as I know, Madeleine’s last conversation with her Mom was her saying, “I had the best day ever”.

I don't suppose they had much option at that age.

It may never have happened.

All  my own opinion.

[Anthro]

Did Kate use the word ‘dump’?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Lace we've pored all over this and the evidence from GM and KM is highly contradictory. 

The only person who knows what he did or didn't do when he checked at circa 9 pm is GM.  The fact he said this that or the other doesn't make it factually correct.

You have made up a completely alternative version of events, presented them as factsand you weren’t even there - what a baldy (sic) cheek!

[Vertigo Swirl]

He certainly spoke to Jes, but Jes never confirmed what the time was.

How do you know he certainly talked to Jes?

[Vertigo Swirl]

You must remember that they didn't know that Madeleine would be abducted on the evening of the 3rd of May.   You are talking as if they knew an abductor was on the prowl.   So Gerry found the door open further that they had left it,  he wondered if Madeleine had gone to the toilet,  he wasn't thinking 'I wonder if an abductor has been in the bedroom'.   He left and probably thought no more about it.  It was the first time Gerry had gone into the bedroom on his check,  it was the first time he did a check on that evening.  Again you are talking about how the McCann's should behave if they think someone sinister is happening,  why would they tell Matthew how the door was left?    Kate said it was all quiet,   not one of the children was crying,  so she went to shut the door and it slammed shut.

At last, some actual common sense!

[Anthro]

“I don't suppose they had much option at that age.

It may never have happened”.

Skeptical as opposed to cynical. I prefer to adhere to the first principle.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Did Kate use the word ‘dump’?

”Dump” is a word McCann bashers like to use when describing the kids being taken to kids club, as if they were being abandoned like a sack of kittens on the side of the road.  Highly emotive and designed to elicit a reaction.

[Anthro]

Hi VS, my daughter used to love the kids club and all the activities. She made friends from Canada, England and South Africa. My son on the other hand, selected which activities he wanted to participate in. The kids club personnel would call us, indicating that he would rather join us, upon one of us fetching him.

[Brietta]

GM was obviously concerned enough about claims of parental neglect given a barrister flew out on 11th May who reassured the McCanns that their evening childcare arrangements fell 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting'.  And yet this barrister might well have been quite happy to prosecute lesser mortals had their young charges disappeared in the same circumstances.   

I don't know how your reading of the situations you pontificate about in your posts can be so far off the mark.

Having heard Matt's absolute hysteria when being interviewed "shouting and crying" having had it put to him that he had handed Madeleine through the window to an accomplice ( see, the PJ had absolutely no doubt that Madeleine had been abducted ~ they just got it entirely wrong about by whom).

The time therefore was way past being worried about the claims of parental neglect you have speculated about ... it was evident to those concerned that the PJ were following an entirely different path and were going about it as Kate says in her book "like something out of Life on Mars".

You really think the McCanns (who were not 'lawyered' up at that stage) should have knocked back the offer of legal assistance when it was offered?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Hi VS, my daughter used to love the kids club and all the activities. She made friends from Canada, England and South Africa. My son on the other hand, selected which activities he wanted to participate in. The kids club personnel would call us, indicating that he would rather join us, upon one of us fetching him.

We never “dumped” our kids at kids club while away on holiday but I used to “dump” them at every locally run summer school available during the school holidays.  If I hadn’t I might have ended up dying of boredom or commiting infanticide, but they always enjoyed themselves nonetheless. 

[Anthro]

VS, I hear you. In the end, context is definitive.

[pathfinder73]

What body language?

Gerry was late getting back to the Tapas because he stopped  to chat to Jez,  not because he was watching football.

Jez said they had a brief chat - 3 minutes to LP. That is not long. Jane didn't leave the table coming on 10 minutes after Gerry left. That's why there was talk at the table about him watching footy to explain his long absence.