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[Vertigo Swirl]

Why would spending LONGER in the apartment be considered something to be ashamed of?  Surely all the while Gerry was “watching the footie” Madeleine was safe from harm?

[pathfinder73]

He wasn't watching football so he was doing something else.

[Lace]

Here's an idea from left field.

Eat dinner with your children.

Crazy, I know.

The McCann's wanted to keep their children in the same routine as home.

[Lace]

“They were dumping the kids in the creche all day so they'd had plenty of me time IMO“.

Obviously, you choose your destination according to what is on offer. How do you validate your assumption of “dumping the kids”? Are you assuming the McCann children were going to kids club because they were forced to go? Or, that they didn’t enjoy the experience. As far as I know, Madeleine’s last conversation with her Mom was her saying, “I had the best day ever”.

I agree Anthro,   dumping the kids is ridiculous,  they wouldn't have gone unless they wanted to go.  Children love the company of other children,   I have lost count how many times other children have come up to mine on the beach for instance to play.   Madeleine was looking forward to showing Kate and Gerry her dance on the Friday,  something she didn't get to do 

[Vertigo Swirl]

He wasn't watching football so he was doing something else.

How do you know what he was doing?  Where is your IMO, or are you exempt from the forum rules?

[G-Unit]

The McCann's wanted to keep their children in the same routine as home.

At home Madeleine got to stay up half an hour later than the twins.

[Vertigo Swirl]

At home Madeleine got to stay up half an hour later than the twins.

How do you know?

[Erngath]

At home Madeleine got to stay up half an hour later than the twins.

That's good parenting, isn't it.
Letting her feel that wee bit special as the bigger sister.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know how your reading of the situations you pontificate about in your posts can be so far off the mark.

Having heard Matt's absolute hysteria when being interviewed "shouting and crying" having had it put to him that he had handed Madeleine through the window to an accomplice ( see, the PJ had absolutely no doubt that Madeleine had been abducted ~ they just got it entirely wrong about by whom).

The time therefore was way past being worried about the claims of parental neglect you have speculated about ... it was evident to those concerned that the PJ were following an entirely different path and were going about it as Kate says in her book "like something out of Life on Mars".

You really think the McCanns (who were not 'lawyered' up at that stage) should have knocked back the offer of legal assistance when it was offered?

Pontificate is that like Pontiff and Kate?   

[Holly Goodhead]

Why would spending LONGER in the apartment be considered something to be ashamed of?  Surely all the while Gerry was “watching the footie” Madeleine was safe from harm?

How do you know MM hadn't disappeared by the time GM checked at circa 9 pm?  We only have his word he physically observed her at circa 9 pm which is at odds with testimony from others.

[Brietta]

Pontificate is that like Pontiff and Kate?   

If you will.  I much prefer the dictionary definition though which is to "express one's opinions in a pompous and dogmatic way".  Which is precisely what your style of posting suggests to me.

Now what about going back to the nitty gritty and addressing the points I raised from Kate's book in answer to your post?  Or am I to be forced to take your deflection as your response?  I'm happy to leave the choice entirely up to you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

How do you know MM hadn't disappeared by the time GM checked at circa 9 pm?  We only have his word he physically observed her at circa 9 pm which is at odds with testimony from others.

Are you suggesting Gerry already knew Madeleine had disappeared before Kate raised the alarm??  Because if he didn’t already know then why would he feel ashamed  he spent longer in the apartment?    What do others know about what Gerry did or didn’t do in the apartment?  How would they know?

[Holly Goodhead]

Are you suggesting Gerry already knew Madeleine had disappeared before Kate raised the alarm??  Because if he didn’t already know then why would he feel ashamed  he spent longer in the apartment?    What do others know about what Gerry did or didn’t do in the apartment?  How would they know?

I'm suggesting MM may have already disappeared by the time he checked at 9pm.  We have no idea what exactly his 9 pm check entailed.  Did he simply listen as he had on all previous occasions or did this check involve physically observing MM?  If the former he may simply have put his head round the patio doors and thought all quiet = ok.  Or he may have grabbed the remote longing to check on the UEFA semifinal scores and simultaneously thought all was quiet on the children front and simply left without having any idea about the children, shutter, window.  I'm certainly not prepared to take what he says at face value as so many things do not add up.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm suggesting MM may have already disappeared by the time he checked at 9pm.  We have no idea what exactly his 9 pm check entailed.  Did he simply listen as he had on all previous occasions or did this check involve physically observing MM?  If the former he may simply have put his head round the patio doors and thought all quiet = ok.  Or he may have grabbed the remote longing to check on the UEFA semifinal scores and simultaneously thought all was quiet on the children front and simply left without having any idea about the children, shutter, window.  I'm certainly not prepared to take what he says at face value as so many things do not add up.

Either way, why should he have to feel ashamed for spending longer in the apartment than usual as has been suggested earlier by you (I think)?

[Holly Goodhead]

Either way, why should he have to feel ashamed for spending longer in the apartment than usual as has been suggested earlier by you (I think)?

Nothing to do with the length of time he spent in the apt but we know from various individuals he checked at circa 9 pm.  At 10 pm KM found MM missing.  At 9.30 pm MO checked but had no idea if MM was present or not.  If GM was unable to say whether or not MM was present at circa 9 pm he might feel somewhat ashamed that not only did he leave his 3 small children in an unlocked apt whilst he was wining and dining but upon 'checking' he had no idea whether or not she was present.