Author Topic: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?  (Read 38451 times)

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Offline Holly Goodhead

The following provides some info that OG have considered in connection with the above.  I've picked out the salient points I've been able to identify:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JsFKwUUagY&feature=youtu.be&t=203

From DI Tim Dobson

- Crimes occurred in years shortly before and after MM disappeared.
- 12 crimes against British families on holiday in Western Algarve
- 12 cases intruder broke-in the holiday properties of UK families.  4 occasions sexually assaulted young white female child whilst in her bed. 
- [unsure of word: some, 7, several?] of the offences were reported to PJ more recently 3 further cases following appeal and 1 specifically phoned in afterwards. 
- No forced entry in most crimes - doesn't say how many out of the 12.
- Out of season
- No property stolen or very little property stolen
- Dark tanned man
- Remained calm and may have spent some time in the apartment beforehand
- Spoke good English - foreign accent
- Carvoeiro and Vale De Parra area

DCI Andy Redwood

- No scientific link to the cases
- 2004 2010 man entered holiday apartment
- 9/12 no forced entry
- no burglary once inside
- occurred 2 am - 5 am
- Interested in young children.  6 occasions sat on or got into bed with children.
- 4 occassions committed sexual assault
- Children in age range from 7 - 10 yoa
- spoke English but may have been slurred or slow
- Noise of bin collection was heard on 2 occassions
- Man smelled odd: tobacco, aftershave on 3 occassions
- Clustered around Carvoeiro and Vale De Parra area

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2019, 01:09:31 PM »
I would hope with the resources available to OG they would have got to the bottom of this by now. 

Some inconsistencies between the two officers: DI Tim Robson refers to young white females.  DCI Andy Redwood refers to children and doesn't state gender. 

What was the nature of  the sexual assaults? 

What property was stolen?

How did the intruder gain entry? 

Why only British families making these claims?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2019, 01:27:20 PM »
I created a thread about smells some time back:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10850.msg541081#msg541081

GM/MO/KM did not detect any strange smells in 5A.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2019, 01:31:07 PM »
If assaults were carried out as we are led to believe I guess the young children might have been paralysed by fear but you would think out of the 12 1 or 2 might have screamed and an adult rush in the room to confront the intruder?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2019, 05:58:21 PM »
If assaults were carried out as we are led to believe I guess the young children might have been paralysed by fear but you would think out of the 12 1 or 2 might have screamed and an adult rush in the room to confront the intruder?
How do you know this did not happen?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2019, 09:22:49 AM »
How do you know this did not happen?

We are told by DI Robson that he "remained calm". 

We are told by DCI Redwood that he spoke to the children in English.  What language did he speak to the adults in? 

There's very little by way of physical description.  No e-fit.  No mention of a weapon.  No mention of adults attempting to confront or apprehend.  3 victims said he smelt funny.  Adults are potential witnesses not victims.

When families went on street afterwards they record hearing the noise of a bin lorry. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2019, 09:42:23 AM »
We are told by DI Robson that he "remained calm". 

We are told by DCI Redwood that he spoke to the children in English.  What language did he speak to the adults in? 

There's very little by way of physical description.  No e-fit.  No mention of a weapon.  No mention of adults attempting to confront or apprehend.  3 victims said he smelt funny.  Adults are potential witnesses not victims.

When families went on street afterwards they record hearing the noise of a bin lorry.
How do you know that none of the children screamed?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2019, 09:46:16 AM »
Do children usually scream when confronted by an assailant?  There are numerous examples of children being assaulted in their beds or kidnapped from them without apparently making a sound.  How is this possible?  Does it mean it never happened and that these accounts must all be fabricated?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2019, 09:49:19 AM »
I was sexually assaulted in a public place as a child travelling alone.  I neither screamed nor told anyone about it for years.  My assailant (who did smell strongly of booze) no doubt went on to assault others.  Maybe they screamed but I doubt it. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2019, 09:50:47 AM »
How do you know that none of the children screamed?

I don't.  I said I would have thought at least 1/12 would have screamed out AND an adult rush in the room to confront the intruder. 

Based on what the two detectives said is there any evidence that any adult had any contact and/or observed the intruder?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2019, 09:52:31 AM »
I don't.  I said I would have thought at least 1/12 would have screamed out AND an adult rush in the room to confront the intruder. 

Based on what the two detectives said is there any evidence that any adult had any contact and/or observed the intruder?
There is no evidence no, but so what?  Because it doesn’t fit with how you think such a situation should play out you think it didn’t happen at all? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Lace

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2019, 10:17:15 AM »
I don't.  I said I would have thought at least 1/12 would have screamed out AND an adult rush in the room to confront the intruder. 

Based on what the two detectives said is there any evidence that any adult had any contact and/or observed the intruder?

No they wouldn't have because as soon as the child cried out,  he would have beaten a quick exit.  How did he get in that is the question.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2019, 10:57:25 AM »
I'm sure these incidents took place and find it very odd that sone try to pretend they didn't.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2019, 11:01:47 AM »
There is no evidence no, but so what?  Because it doesn’t fit with how you think such a situation should play out you think it didn’t happen at all?

And how do I think such a situation should play out?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the disappearance of MM connected to other reported crimes on Algarve?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 11:14:35 AM »
No they wouldn't have because as soon as the child cried out,  he would have beaten a quick exit.  How did he get in that is the question.

We are told by the detectives the intruder entered between the hours of 2 am and 5 am and that he remained calm and may have spent some time in the apartment beforehand.  What was the evidence for him being in the apartment beforehand?  If this was the case and he then entered the children's bedrooms, sitting on their beds and talking to them in English where were the adults when all this was going on?  These were young children all 10 yoa and under. 

The info provided by DI Robson and DCI Redwood is patchy to say the least and raises more questions than answers.  What were they hoping to achieve from the broadcast?  More families coming forward to gather more intelligence?  How come from all these victims/witnesses it wasn't possible to produce an e-fit?  And how come all the families are British? 

How did he get out?  The same way he came in I guess?  DCI Rewood said 9/12 no signs of forced entry. 
« Last Edit: November 26, 2019, 11:18:39 AM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?