The truth about the Cadaver Dogs and DNA

[John]

If a dog alerted to explosives on a plane I was about to board,  and following a search I was told,  "It's OK,  we couldn't find any bomb,  you can get on board now"  ....  would I get on it ?

Not a chance

Would you John ?

Only if the dog handler and the dog came along too!   

[registrar]

The reality is that dogs do make alerts which searches and forensics never confirm.

that's it in a nutshell

doggies lust for that little treat they get when they alert

nowt wrong with that

but unless close inspection/scientific evaluation confirms they found something relevant

it's of no use

it's pretty simple really

It's significant, though, that the dog only 'looked for a little treat'  by falsely alerting, in the McCann's apartment alone

Didn't lust after a little treat in any of the other apartments or cars

That's the problem I can't get round   ( I mentioned it earlier in the thread but had no response )

Why only where the McCanns were concerned did the dog alert ...  why wasn't he false alerting, or  'looking for treats'  all over the place  ?

hmm maybe you saw a post that purported to show that the video of the dogs 'sniffing and a howling'

was sold to the Sun?

Without invoking Occam's razor but quoting a Rothchild - 'that the best time to buy is when there's blood in the streets' 

think on

[gilet]

Even from the very truncated and badly edited video we have seen its clear the dog handler spent far more time calling the dog back to the McCanns car than to the other cars. If they had spent as much time on the other cars who knows what they may have found?

[puglove]

He is currently reading this thread.

debunker, please forgive me if I've missed this, I'm struggling with the mountains of information currently being posted - has anyone put up the brief video of Gerry McCann laughing?

How is that related to dogs and DNA? Is this another attempt to disrupt the topic?

No, not at all. I haven't read on here for a couple of hours, so I'm a bit lost. No agenda, I promise! I'd just like to see that video again. And the one when the McCanns were being interviewed, and Gerry angrily tore his mic off, and Kate looked anxious and, if I'm honest, a bit frightened of her husband. Again, no agenda. Up to now, I've always presumed that Maddie was abducted, for ransom.

Maybe that would make an interesting thread then?

Possibly, but I obviously don't know enough to make a valuable contribution. Maybe the fact that the whole thing went massively global, so quickly, panicked whoever took Maddie and her poor body was taken out to sea in the little boat that sailed the night after?

Which little boat? I suspect there were hundreds of little boats setting sail every night from the various harbours and the beaches in the area.

Is there a specific boat? Again a question about such a boat might make a good thread. You don't need lots of information to post a question about something.

Well, that's good, because I haven't got a lot. Bearing in mind that I'm on here because of the WHF murders, and not the McCann case. But I recall at the time that a figure was seen carrying a small bundle into a boat that went out with the tide the night after Maddie disappeared. Personally, I think that was Maddie. And, sad to say, the tide took her body out.

[Eleanor]

Eddie wasn't given much of a chance anywhere else.  In and out and Bob's your uncle.  None of that dragging back stuff he got when he was anywhere near McCann's places and things.

[debunker]

Even from the very truncated and badly edited video we have seen its clear the dog handler spent far more time calling the dog back to the McCanns car than to the other cars. If they had spent as much time on the other cars who knows what they may have found?

The full 20 minute video in the car park is worth watching - Mr Grime certainly calls Eddie backto the McCann's car six times more often than any other car.

THe alerts may have been serial errors- incorrect se base recgnised and alerted followd by reinforcement by the handler- watch the videos. Dogs smell the same scent around other McCann possessions and alert again.

[icabodcrane]

The reality is that dogs do make alerts which searches and forensics never confirm.

It's significant, though, that the dog only 'looked for a little treat'  by falsely alerting, in the McCann's apartment alone

Didn't lust after a little treat in any of the other apartments or cars

That's the problem I can't get round   ( I mentioned it earlier in the thread but had no response )

Why only where the McCanns were concerned did the dog alert ...  why wasn't he false alerting, or  'looking for treats'  all over the place  ?

Eddie wasn't given much of a chance anywhere else.  In and out and Bob's your uncle.  None of that dragging back stuff he got when he was anywhere near McCann's places and things.

 

How can you possibly know where,  and how,  the dog was deployed  ...  let alone the manner in which his deployment was handled  ?

Is it in the police files ?

[debunker]

Eddie wasn't given much of a chance anywhere else.  In and out and Bob's your uncle.  None of that dragging back stuff he got when he was anywhere near McCann's places and things.

 

How can you possibly know where,  and how,  the dog was deployed  ...  let alone the manner in which his deployment was handled  ?

Is it in the police files ?

THere is a list online and videos on youtube and elsewhere.

[registrar]

Even from the very truncated and badly edited video we have seen its clear the dog handler spent far more time calling the dog back to the McCanns car than to the other cars. If they had spent as much time on the other cars who knows what they may have found?

The full 20 minute video in the car park is worth watching - Mr Grime certainly calls Eddie backto the McCann's car six times more often than any other car.

THe alerts may have been serial errors- incorrect se base recgnised and alerted followd by reinforcement by the handler- watch the videos. Dogs smell the same scent around other McCann possessions and alert again.

genuine question - not leading at all

in the Levy Duarte video - were only Mccann clothes laid out on the floor?

or also other folk's clothes?

 I believe that's what they call a blind test?

[gilet]

Eddie wasn't given much of a chance anywhere else.  In and out and Bob's your uncle.  None of that dragging back stuff he got when he was anywhere near McCann's places and things.

 

How can you possibly know where,  and how,  the dog was deployed  ...  let alone the manner in which his deployment was handled  ?

Is it in the police files ?

Simply watching the video of the dog being handled around the cars is clear evidence that the McCanns car was given more time than the others.

[registrar]

I believe that's how scientific research is carried out

shame we don't have the resident Academic 'Stephen' to answer that little morsel

[icabodcrane]

Eddie wasn't given much of a chance anywhere else.  In and out and Bob's your uncle.  None of that dragging back stuff he got when he was anywhere near McCann's places and things.

 

How can you possibly know where,  and how,  the dog was deployed  ...  let alone the manner in which his deployment was handled  ?

Is it in the police files ?

THere is a list online and videos on youtube and elsewhere.

 

I must ask for a link please

I would be astounded if there is any footage of the dogs in the apartments of anyone other than the McCanns   

I will revisit ,  and bump this post,  until links are provided or the claim is revised

[registrar]

Even from the very truncated and badly edited video we have seen its clear the dog handler spent far more time calling the dog back to the McCanns car than to the other cars. If they had spent as much time on the other cars who knows what they may have found?

The full 20 minute video in the car park is worth watching - Mr Grime certainly calls Eddie backto the McCann's car six times more often than any other car.

THe alerts may have been serial errors- incorrect se base recgnised and alerted followd by reinforcement by the handler- watch the videos. Dogs smell the same scent around other McCann possessions and alert again.

genuine question - not leading at all

in the Levy Duarte video - were only Mccann clothes laid out on the floor?

or also other folk's clothes?

 I believe that's what they call a blind test?

any views?

[registrar]

Even from the very truncated and badly edited video we have seen its clear the dog handler spent far more time calling the dog back to the McCanns car than to the other cars. If they had spent as much time on the other cars who knows what they may have found?

The full 20 minute video in the car park is worth watching - Mr Grime certainly calls Eddie backto the McCann's car six times more often than any other car.

THe alerts may have been serial errors- incorrect se base recgnised and alerted followd by reinforcement by the handler- watch the videos. Dogs smell the same scent around other McCann possessions and alert again.

genuine question - not leading at all

in the Levy Duarte video - were only Mccann clothes laid out on the floor?

or also other folk's clothes?

 I believe that's what they call a blind test?

I believe that's how scientific research is carried out

shame we don't have the resident Academic 'Stephen' to answer that little morsel

[John]

Even from the very truncated and badly edited video we have seen its clear the dog handler spent far more time calling the dog back to the McCanns car than to the other cars. If they had spent as much time on the other cars who knows what they may have found?

The full 20 minute video in the car park is worth watching - Mr Grime certainly calls Eddie backto the McCann's car six times more often than any other car.

THe alerts may have been serial errors- incorrect se base recgnised and alerted followd by reinforcement by the handler- watch the videos. Dogs smell the same scent around other McCann possessions and alert again.

I agree, dogs aren't stupid and if they are  recalled several times they can learn that a reaction is required and bobs your uncle.