T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments

[pathfinder73]

Maybe it has been done previously but if not I think we need to put JW's testimony under the microscope in an attempt to determine the precise route taken.

He walked around the main area of the resort and eventually ended up in the Tapas bar where he used the toilet facility. He was unable to state what time this was. His son was still awake so he walked in the area of the ocean club gardens and walked along the alleyways in that general area. He eventually made his way along Rua Dr Francisco toward the direction of Rua Dr Agostinho. At this time he was walking on the right side of the road passing the Tapas bar area to his left. He noticed the bad street lighting and although it was not completely dark there was enough light to see clearly. As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[Brietta]

Maybe it has been done previously but if not I think we need to put JW's testimony under the microscope in an attempt to determine the precise route taken.

I do not think "we" need to do anything with Jes Wilkin's testimony. In my opinion the salient part of Jes's testimony is his account of the meeting with Gerry.

I find it extraordinary that there are those who accept without a thought as gospel any utterance by whoever if they think it may reflect badly on the McCanns and any associated with them ... but wish to put the testimony  of a bona fide witness "under the microscope".
What utter arrogance!

[Holly Goodhead]

I do not think "we" need to do anything with Jes Wilkin's testimony. In my opinion the salient part of Jes's testimony is his account of the meeting with Gerry.

I find it extraordinary that there are those who accept without a thought as gospel any utterance by whoever if they think it may reflect badly on the McCanns and any associated with them ... but wish to put the testimony  of a bona fide witness "under the microscope".
What utter arrogance!

Since when does examining testimony in microscopic detail amount to questioning the veracity of the witness? 

[G-Unit]

Since when does examining testimony in microscopic detail amount to questioning the veracity of the witness?

If you start a new thread Holly those with no interest can ignore it.

[The General]

I do not think "we" need to do anything with Jes Wilkin's testimony. In my opinion the salient part of Jes's testimony is his account of the meeting with Gerry.

I find it extraordinary that there are those who accept without a thought as gospel any utterance by whoever if they think it may reflect badly on the McCanns and any associated with them ... but wish to put the testimony  of a bona fide witness "under the microscope".
What utter arrogance!

You can reverse that and the same is true. Utter arrogance.

[G-Unit]

I have seen nothing to suggest that the security of the apartments was inadequate, because I have seen no reports of the apartments being broken into. What I have seen suggests that those occupying the apartments were careless about security.

on 16th April 2007 there was a theft from an apartment in Block 5 L, from where a plasma display screen, credit cards and a mobile phone belonging to the respective guests were taken.

As far as she knows, as she prepared the papers for the insurance company, the theft took place at the end of the day and according to the guests the event happened when they had left for dinner after completing check in and having left their suitcases in the apartment.

She says that she does not remember having been told that doors or windows had been forced, the guests having said that they had just left the door on the latch
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-GONCALVES.htm

[sadie]

I don't need to visit the area.  Firstly FP and RO described the car park side at night as dark/scary in which case there was no need to avoid the back passage.  Secondly I can see everything with my own eyes via Google Earth.  Thirdly even if I visited I would be basing it on my perception of whether or not it was dark/scary and not those who had decide whether to use car park side or back passage. 

You and others keep insisting Dr T was walking the "wrong way" when you have no idea whether or not he was going or returning from crèche or on some other journey.   

This is a discussion board where all views are welcome providing they do not break the high level rules set out on the homepage.  If you disagree with a post it is sufficient to set out your reasons why.  Therefore please desist from accusing others of spreading misinformation and causing confusion.

You are wrong.

Both the creche and the Millenium restaurant lie in an easterly direction from Dr Totmans flat

Rua FGM, which Jane saw the man crossing is in a westerly direction from Totmans flat. 

Totmans flat was east of Rua FGM. 


He simply would NOT have crossed Rua FGM, whether coming or going; it was beyond his route.


You are wrong IMO.  Pls check this on G.Earth using your logic.

[sadie]

And Sadie I thought you and others here endorsed the McCanns view that dining out at tapas was akin to eating in the back garden.  In which case how come there was some foreboding dark and scary back passage separating tapas and 5A that was to be avoided at all costs?

They didn't need, or want, to use your dark and scary back passage  ... and with the exception of Matt when leaving Robs flat, they didn't use it, preferring the front car park route.

[sadie]

He walked around the main area of the resort and eventually ended up in the Tapas bar where he used the toilet facility. He was unable to state what time this was. His son was still awake so he walked in the area of the ocean club gardens and walked along the alleyways in that general area. He eventually made his way along Rua Dr Francisco toward the direction of Rua Dr Agostinho. At this time he was walking on the right side of the road passing the Tapas bar area to his left. He noticed the bad street lighting and although it was not completely dark there was enough light to see clearly. As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

Excellent.  Thankyou, pathfinder. 

That fills in the bit, which I mentioned, that I was unable to deduce.   But basically my logic was correct.

[sadie]

If you start a new thread Holly those with no interest can ignore it.

Unfortunately, keepers of the absolute truth cannot let mis/disinformation lie without correcting the inbalance.

So much unnecesary work for me ... and I am too tired and poorly ... but I must try to do it.

I am weary of correcting disinformation. 


SIL, if he were willing could share the load.  Hows about it SIL ?

[Holly Goodhead]

If you start a new thread Holly those with no interest can ignore it.

Will do in the near future. 

[Holly Goodhead]

They didn't need, or want, to use your dark and scary back passage  ... and with the exception of Matt when leaving Robs flat, they didn't use it, preferring the front car park route.

In the absence of CCTV you don't know what routes were taken and when.  The fact T9 said this that or the other isn't evidence of anything especially given much of the testimony is contradictory.

[Holly Goodhead]

You are wrong.

Both the creche and the Millenium restaurant lie in an easterly direction from Dr Totmans flat

Rua FGM, which Jane saw the man crossing is in a westerly direction from Totmans flat. 

Totmans flat was east of Rua FGM. 


He simply would NOT have crossed Rua FGM, whether coming or going; it was beyond his route.


You are wrong IMO.  Pls check this on G.Earth using your logic.

Did Dr T stay in block 4?

[G-Unit]

You are wrong.

Both the creche and the Millenium restaurant lie in an easterly direction from Dr Totmans flat

Rua FGM, which Jane saw the man crossing is in a westerly direction from Totmans flat. 

Totmans flat was east of Rua FGM. 


He simply would NOT have crossed Rua FGM, whether coming or going; it was beyond his route.


You are wrong IMO.  Pls check this on G.Earth using your logic.

Dr Totman was in Block 4. He did indeed need to head east to reach the Creche and the Millenium. To reach or return from the Millenium he would have crossed the top of R Dr FGM, which is actually east of both Blocks 4 & 5.

[Holly Goodhead]

Dr Totman was in Block 4. He did indeed need to head east to reach the Creche and the Millenium. To reach or return from the Millenium he would have crossed the top of R Dr FGM, which is actually east of both Blocks 4 & 5.

Thanks G-Unit.  With the exception of yourself knowledge levels here are wanting to say the least. 

I would love to see those who shout the loudest here come up against some of the heavyweights I've met on other cases here and elsewhere.