When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?

[Mr Gray]

According to Gerry McCann he was seated at the Tapas restaurant at 22:13 when his wife raised the alarm that his daughter had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

So who was the unknown woman and how was she able to tell the nannies that a child was missing either before the child's father knew (22:05)  or just two minutes after he was told? (22:15)

Who was the Mark Warner employee who called into the Duque de Holanda bar at 22:15 to tell them a child was missing?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm

If the group are correct about the time of the alarm being raised, how were these two people able to spread the news so quickly?

gerry never said 10.13.....another point you have changed to suit your agenda

[The General]

gerry never said 10.13.....another point you have changed to suit your agenda

- Half and hour later without anything to signal, it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.

03 + 'about 10 minutes later' (he didn't say about 8 minutes) = ........duh.........uhuhuh........13
 

[Mr Gray]

- Half and hour later without anything to signal, it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.

03 + 'about 10 minutes later' (he didn't say about 8 minutes) = ........duh.........uhuhuh........13

gunit posted...According to Gerry McCann he was seated at the Tapas restaurant at 22:13

so Gerry never said 22.13....he inferred it was ABOUT 22.13

so it could easily have been 22.10.

the fact is gunit is presenting facts which are not true. Gerry is not precise with his timimes...he isnt claiming to be precise...neither is the person making the first statement......gunit is being disingenuous

[The General]

gunit posted...According to Gerry McCann he was seated at the Tapas restaurant at 22:13

so Gerry never said 22.13....he inferred it was ABOUT 22.13

so it could easily have been 22.10.

the fact is gunit is presenting facts which are not true. Gerry is not precise with his timimes...he isnt claiming to be precise...neither is the person making the first statement......gunit is being disingenuous

If he would have meant 'about 7 minutes' he would have said 'about 7 minutes'. He said 'about 10 minutes', which, during a police investigation, means.......drum roll........about 10 minutes. It's safe to assume we are talking about 'about' 13 minutes.
And are we then to assume, using your logic, that all other times are estimated, thus making all testimony / timelines open to conjecture?
Or are they all non-verbatim, twice translated, approximate, maybe, he said she said, umm, errr, welllll, ummm, you know.........perhaps, it could have been, maybe I saw, approximately 15 degrees, dimly lit, locked, unlocked, on top of the bed, but snuggled up, front door, back door, shutters up, shutters down, what shutters?........

[Brietta]

If he would have meant 'about 7 minutes' he would have said 'about 7 minutes'. He said 'about 10 minutes', which, during a police investigation, means.......drum roll........about 10 minutes. It's safe to assume we are talking about 'about' 13 minutes.
And are we then to assume, using your logic, that all other times are estimated, thus making all testimony / timelines open to conjecture?
Or are they all non-verbatim, twice translated, approximate, maybe, he said she said, umm, errr, welllll, ummm, you know.........perhaps, it could have been, maybe I saw, approximately 15 degrees, dimly lit, locked, unlocked, on top of the bed, but snuggled up, front door, back door, shutters up, shutters down, what shutters?........

- at around 10 p.m., when KATE went to the apartment she verified that MADELEINE had disappeared, and that the window and shutters of the bedroom were open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

[Mr Gray]

If he would have meant 'about 7 minutes' he would have said 'about 7 minutes'. He said 'about 10 minutes', which, during a police investigation, means.......drum roll........about 10 minutes. It's safe to assume we are talking about 'about' 13 minutes.
And are we then to assume, using your logic, that all other times are estimated, thus making all testimony / timelines open to conjecture?
Or are they all non-verbatim, twice translated, approximate, maybe, he said she said, umm, errr, welllll, ummm, you know.........perhaps, it could have been, maybe I saw, approximately 15 degrees, dimly lit, locked, unlocked, on top of the bed, but snuggled up, front door, back door, shutters up, shutters down, what shutters?........

He didn't say 22.13 whichever way you wriggle

[The General]

He didn't say 22.13 whichever way you wriggle

No wriggling required. You're splitting hairs for the sake of ....well, who knows.
Besides, answer the question.

[The General]

- at around 10 p.m., when KATE went to the apartment she verified that MADELEINE had disappeared, and that the window and shutters of the bedroom were open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

What's your point me arl china teapot?

[jassi]

That 22.03 awfully precise. Someone without a timepiece would say 'a few minutes after 10' 

Precise trumps about  -  IMO

[Mr Gray]

No wriggling required. You're splitting hairs for the sake of ....well, who knows.
Besides, answer the question.

No I'm making a factual point... The times are not claimed to be precise... Gunit is misrepresenting the fact

[G-Unit]

gerry never said 10.13.....another point you have changed to suit your agenda

No, he didn't. I had to use my admittedly poor maths skills to arrive at that time. However, no matter how many 'abouts' were used for the times, it's difficult to imagine how the news hurtled round Praia da Luz quite as swiftly as we're told it did.

Did these unnamed women sprint off to the night creche and the bar to share the news without double-checking that a child had indeed gone missing and hadn't been found?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So who was this unknown Mark Warner employee and why was she telling people about a missing child before the 'missing child procedure' had begun?

around 10.25pm, the date indicated, the said procedure was begun, dividing the whole site into three distinct areas, namely the north zone, the central zone (including the area of the company) and all the roads surrounding the company and which go as far as the beach. Five of the company's employees were mobilised to coordinate the searches, helped by various people ( other employees, tourists and residents)
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL LYING or maybe because discrepancies like this are very common when there are numerous witnesses involved.  I know you don’t want to countenance that possibility but that’s your problem.

[Mr Gray]

No, he didn't. I had to use my admittedly poor maths skills to arrive at that time. However, no matter how many 'abouts' were used for the times, it's difficult to imagine how the news hurtled round Praia da Luz quite as swiftly as we're told it did.

Did these unnamed women sprint off to the night creche and the bar to share the news without double-checking that a child had indeed gone missing and hadn't been found?

Another inaccuracy... The news didn't hurtle around PDL... Just around the Ocean Club...

You seem to be trying to make a very trivial point..
Your posts Re the facts are inccuarate.. Yet you question the inaccuracy of others

[Brietta]

What's your point me arl china teapot?

The magic word is ... "around".  No-one has a precise time for anything, although Kate was specific with 10.00pm and the Judicial police and the Public Prosecutors determined after studying the evidence, that when the alarm was raised Gerry was sitting in his place at the tapas table.
If he hadn't been we would have known about it.

[G-Unit]

The magic word is ... "around".  No-one has a precise time for anything, although Kate was specific with 10.00pm and the Judicial police and the Public Prosecutors determined after studying the evidence, that when the alarm was raised Gerry was sitting in his place at the tapas table.
If he hadn't been we would have known about it.

The authorities were not convinced by the timeline provided by the group, which is why they wanted a reconstitution. In my opinion the only reason they wrote what they did in their reports is because they had no evidence with which to contradict what they were told.