When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?

[ShiningInLuz]

Timing was obviously all over the place with the priority being to get out there and look for the missing child.
By the 12th May Ian Herbert wrote in the Independent of apparent shortcomings in the gathering and collation of whatever evidence there was.

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There is no telling how many clues have been under detectives' eyes all along but Stella Cash is certainly the kind of person who might have provided some. She was working at the Duke of Holland bar, 100 metres from the place where Kate McCann, Madeleine's mother, walked from the bar ­ past the swimming pool, up her apartment's 10 stone steps and through the child gate ­ to look in on her daughter at 10pm.

Several Mark Warner guests dined at Ms Cash's restaurant that night and she later drove home past the McCanns' corner apartment at 10.50pm but no police officer has questioned her about what she saw. "I don't think I saw anything suspicious but then I don't know what they might call 'suspicious'," she said. These are the individuals who form a vital part of an inquiry such as this, according to a serving detective chief superintendent who has put several child killers behind bars.

"You start by clearing the ground around your feet," he said.

"You need to know who has been in and out of every business near that scene."

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/a-stolen-child-a-missed-birthday-a-baffling-12-05--t7203.html

Mr Herbert has a fevered imagination if he thinks the Duque de Hollandia is within a 100m radius of the incident scene.  Anyone can check this out for themself.

I've never heard of Stella Cash, so thank you for that.   

[G-Unit]

Timing was obviously all over the place with the priority being to get out there and look for the missing child.
By the 12th May Ian Herbert wrote in the Independent of apparent shortcomings in the gathering and collation of whatever evidence there was.

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There is no telling how many clues have been under detectives' eyes all along but Stella Cash is certainly the kind of person who might have provided some. She was working at the Duke of Holland bar, 100 metres from the place where Kate McCann, Madeleine's mother, walked from the bar ­ past the swimming pool, up her apartment's 10 stone steps and through the child gate ­ to look in on her daughter at 10pm.

Several Mark Warner guests dined at Ms Cash's restaurant that night and she later drove home past the McCanns' corner apartment at 10.50pm but no police officer has questioned her about what she saw. "I don't think I saw anything suspicious but then I don't know what they might call 'suspicious'," she said. These are the individuals who form a vital part of an inquiry such as this, according to a serving detective chief superintendent who has put several child killers behind bars.

"You start by clearing the ground around your feet," he said.

"You need to know who has been in and out of every business near that scene."

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/a-stolen-child-a-missed-birthday-a-baffling-12-05--t7203.html

The Duke of Holland bar may have been 100 metres from the Tapas Complex as the crow flies, but on foot it was between 550 and 700 metres away, a walk of between 8 and 10 minutes.

[Mr Gray]

I see you have ducked the issue entirely.  Just answer the questions!

And when did the goalposts change from cook to Marco Pierre White?

I'm not ducking anything and this is now all off topic... You obviously enjoy preparing a nice family meal but have little interest in the art of cooking...

[Mr Gray]

The Duke of Holland bar may have been 100 metres from the Tapas Complex as the crow flies, but on foot it was between 550 and 700 metres away, a walk of between 8 and 10 minutes.

15 mins for a mile... So 550 yds, around 5. Min

[Brietta]

Mr Herbert has a fevered imagination if he thinks the Duque de Hollandia is within a 100m radius of the incident scene.  Anyone can check this out for themself.

I've never heard of Stella Cash, so thank you for that.   

Somewhere else I read it was 200m ( from the resort but I didn't bother to check it out as I've seen no reports of anyone from the Ocean Club rushing in to break the news.
In my opinion it was likely to have been a phone call.

Mrs Wright did give a statement on the 15th May https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm and I see that is where I got the 200m from.  The newspaper was printed on the 12th but it doesn't look as if Ms Cash was asked for a statement.

It raises the thought that if the recommended procedure had been followed as per Horrocks et al? ~ we would have had witness statements from staff on duty in the Dolphin and Kelly's on the 3rd.

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm not ducking anything and this is now all off topic... You obviously enjoy preparing a nice family meal but have little interest in the art of cooking...

It started off topic at the moment when you chose to raise it.

It is relevant to the general situation in Luz in 2007.  Just not this thread.

[G-Unit]

Somewhere else I read it was 200m ( from the resort but I didn't bother to check it out as I've seen no reports of anyone from the Ocean Club rushing in to break the news.
In my opinion it was likely to have been a phone call.

Mrs Wright did give a statement on the 15th May https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm and I see that is where I got the 200m from.  The newspaper was printed on the 12th but it doesn't look as if Ms Cash was asked for a statement.

It raises the thought that if the recommended procedure had been followed as per Horrocks et al? ~ we would have had witness statements from staff on duty in the Dolphin and Kelly's on the 3rd.

Knowing the local area and examining the files can be very helpful, especially when reading newspaper accounts. The article quoted had several other errors also.

[Mr Gray]

The Duke of Holland bar may have been 100 metres from the Tapas Complex as the crow flies, but on foot it was between 550 and 700 metres away, a walk of between 8 and 10 minutes.

So it looks as though it could have been a phone call.... So the distance us unimportant.  It shows how easy it can be to draw the wrong conclusions when all the facts are not known

[G-Unit]

So it looks as though it could have been a phone call.... So the distance us unimportant.  It shows how easy it can be to draw the wrong conclusions when all the facts are not known

Phone call? Where did that idea come from?

[John]

So it looks as though it could have been a phone call.... So the distance us unimportant.  It shows how easy it can be to draw the wrong conclusions when all the facts are not known

I couldn't agree with you more. The person with the greatest experience of what went on in the hours and days following Madeleine's disappearance was Gonçalo Amaral. Inevitably, he will have at his fingertips information which has never worked its way into the public domain. I for one would love to speak to him about this.

[Mr Gray]

I couldn't agree with you more. The person with the greatest experience of what went on in the hours and days following Madeleine's disappearance was Gonçalo Amaral. Inevitably, he will have at his fingertips information which has never worked its way into the public domain. I for one would love to speak to him about this.

I too would live to speak to him but I doubt he would like what I would have to say.  SY will have had the chance to speak again to all the UK witnesses in their own language and have had the opportunity to sort out more precise details of what exactly happened .Amaral only has the statements which I think.. Based in what has been said... Contain inaccuracies

[Holly Goodhead]

I think the person you're referring to came back to the UK on the Saturday. Why shouldn't they wait until Sunday before reading a newspaper?

If Saturday's edition of The Times carried the story front page and pages 2 and 3 I doubt it was the only UK based newspaper to do so.  And given 2007 was well within the digital age I guess all newspapers carrying the story were available from the airport early morning?  I think it unlikely British tourists visiting Algarve departing Sat were unaware that a child by the name of Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment situated on a MW resort within PDL on the Thu eve.  Most holiday accomm and airports have satellite tv too. 

Does anyone know what the logistics are in terms of foreign newspapers at airports?  Are they sent electronically and printed locally or are they printed in the host country and then airfreighted? 

[Mr Gray]

If Saturday's edition of The Times carried the story front page and pages 2 and 3 I doubt it was the only UK based newspaper to do so.  And given 2007 was well within the digital age I guess all newspapers carrying the story were available from the airport early morning?  I think it unlikely British tourists visiting Algarve departing Sat were unaware that a child by the name of Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment situated on a MW resort within PDL on the Thu eve.  Most holiday accomm and airports have satellite tv too. 

Does anyone know what the logistics are in terms of foreign newspapers at airports?  Are they sent electronically and printed locally or are they printed in the host country and then airfreighted?

What makes you think the Times would be available at a Portuguese airport.  On Business class flights they may well be available but I don't think on economy.  The Times is not a particularly popular paper...
I used to always, get the Sunday Times  but never any other day.

[Holly Goodhead]

What makes you think the Times would be available at a Portuguese airport.  On Business class flights they may well be available but I don't think on economy.  The Times is not a particularly popular paper...
I used to always, get the Sunday Times  but never any other day.

Afaik most airports carry a range of English newspapers same day?  I'm not talking about papers handed out on flights but papers within vendor stalls and such like.  If Saturday's edition of The Times carried the story front page is there any reason to believe Portuguese papers didn't along with images thereby alerting British holidaymakers to the unfolding drama long before they arrived home?

[Holly Goodhead]

Afaik most airports carry a range of English newspapers same day?  I'm not talking about papers handed out on flights but papers within vendor stalls and such like.  If Saturday's edition of The Times carried the story front page is there any reason to believe Portuguese papers didn't along with images thereby alerting British holidaymakers to the unfolding drama long before they arrived home?

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