Author Topic: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?  (Read 30590 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #120 on: December 20, 2019, 08:40:31 PM »
This evidence of early knowledge is real, and does indeed cast doubt on Gerry McCann's evidence.
Why  do you blame Gerry for that?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2019, 08:41:03 PM »
Oh, I see, it's just a bit of straw-clutching. You obviously didn't read her husband's statement;

He heard about the events being investigated, on the night of 3rd May at about 22.15, from a Mark Warner employee, who went to his restaurant to say that Madeleine had disappeared and to ask for help in looking for her
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAUL_WRIGHT.htm

But it looks better to say they phoned, can't we just pretend and make it up as is the usual case to 'support' and 'Protect' the illusion of a sad couple who's daughter was whooshed away.

"This evidence of early knowledge is real, and does indeed cast doubt on Gerry McCann's evidence."


Indeed it does as does many other instances in evidence offered by the McCann's.

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Without a single verifiable time from anyone.  I rather think not 😀"

Yeah, those till receipts from the Smiths were faked just to stick the McCann's in it.


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Offline Robittybob1

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2019, 09:08:18 PM »
But it looks better to say they phoned, can't we just pretend and make it up as is the usual case to 'support' and 'Protect' the illusion of a sad couple who's daughter was whooshed away.

"This evidence of early knowledge is real, and does indeed cast doubt on Gerry McCann's evidence."


Indeed it does as does many other instances in evidence offered by the McCann's.

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Without a single verifiable time from anyone.  I rather think not 😀"

Yeah, those till receipts from the Smiths were faked just to stick the McCann's in it.
How can we be sure the till receipts had anything to do with the Smith's purchases, unless they were shown to match their credit card usage.  If it was cash it could be anyone , unless the Smiths remembered the exact amount and it matched the till receipt.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2019, 09:31:20 PM »
How can we be sure the till receipts had anything to do with the Smith's purchases, unless they were shown to match their credit card usage.  If it was cash it could be anyone , unless the Smiths remembered the exact amount and it matched the till receipt.

As far as I am aware, the receipts were presented to verify the time...
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2019, 10:28:15 PM »
If Saturday's edition of The Times carried the story front page and pages 2 and 3 I doubt it was the only UK based newspaper to do so.  And given 2007 was well within the digital age I guess all newspapers carrying the story were available from the airport early morning?  I think it unlikely British tourists visiting Algarve departing Sat were unaware that a child by the name of Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment situated on a MW resort within PDL on the Thu eve.  Most holiday accomm and airports have satellite tv too. 

Does anyone know what the logistics are in terms of foreign newspapers at airports?  Are they sent electronically and printed locally or are they printed in the host country and then airfreighted?
More to the point what had this woman who you believe abducted Madeleine done with her on her return to England?
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Offline Brietta

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2019, 11:32:21 PM »
As far as I am aware, the receipts were presented to verify the time...

The receipts verify nothing in my opinion, least of all the Smiths' timing.  There is a receipt from Kelly's bar ... but there is nothing to connect it in any way to the Smiths.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #126 on: December 21, 2019, 12:21:01 AM »
The receipts verify nothing in my opinion, least of all the Smiths' timing.  There is a receipt from Kelly's bar ... but there is nothing to connect it in any way to the Smiths.

There is information to suggest a connection to the Smiths, and the timing.

However, you are correct in the sense that a decent investigative journalist would wish to ask a couple of questions of the Smiths, for corroboration.
What's up, old man?

Offline sadie

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #127 on: December 21, 2019, 02:12:59 AM »
How can we be sure the till receipts had anything to do with the Smith's purchases, unless they were shown to match their credit card usage.  If it was cash it could be anyone , unless the Smiths remembered the exact amount and it matched the till receipt.

But what could that mean?

Could it mean the Smiths were involved in any way?  I don't think so from my understanding at present, but I am willing to have my perception changed if any facts appeared.

or,

Could it mean that without their knowledge false receipts were produced by the PJ ?   I dread to think where this could lead us.

Offline Myster

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #128 on: December 21, 2019, 05:37:07 AM »
More to the point what had this woman who you believe abducted Madeleine done with her on her return to England?
Unpacked MM from a suitcase, which went uninspected through customs (assuming she survived in the cargo hold), and then revived her with smelling salts.  Enrolled her at the nearest prep school, registered her with a doctor, had her eyes fitted with contacts by a dodgy optician to conceal the coloboma...etc, etc.

Or... despite being on the verge of her sixtieth childless decade and desperate to 'adopt by abduction', she abandoned MM by the roadside in Portugal on the way to the airport.  Which would put this woman in a totally different league to the McCanns
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #129 on: December 21, 2019, 07:14:55 AM »
Unpacked MM from a suitcase, which went uninspected through customs (assuming she survived in the cargo hold), and then revived her with smelling salts.  Enrolled her at the nearest prep school, registered her with a doctor, had her eyes fitted with contacts by a dodgy optician to conceal the coloboma...etc, etc.

Or... despite being on the verge of her sixtieth childless decade and desperate to 'adopt by abduction', she abandoned MM by the roadside in Portugal on the way to the airport.  Which would put this woman in a totally different league to the McCanns
Sixtieth decade though??  Man, she sure was one old, old lady abductor!!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #130 on: December 21, 2019, 08:25:11 AM »
But what could that mean?

Could it mean the Smiths were involved in any way?  I don't think so from my understanding at present, but I am willing to have my perception changed if any facts appeared.

or,

Could it mean that without their knowledge false receipts were produced by the PJ ?   I dread to think where this could lead us.
Was it a real quiet night at the bars?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #131 on: December 21, 2019, 12:13:52 PM »
Where were the nannies?

Susan Owen, Sinead Vine and Emma Wilding left home at 21:30 and went to the Mirage with Nathan, the waterfront manager.

According to Sinead, a group of people entered the bar at 22:45 searching for MM. Emma Wilding, however, says she was told at 22:00.

Sarah Williamson, Leanne Wagstaff and Kirsty Maryan left home at 22:30. They bumped into Amy who gave them the news and they joined the searches.

Lynn Fretter was at home with Catriona Baker. Leanne Wagstaff came and gave them the news at 23:30 and Lynn joined the searches.

Amy Tierney, Charlotte Pennington and Jacqueline Williamson were at the night creche and were told at 22:05 or 22:15.

Lyndsay Johnson was in an unknown location, and was told by Amy by phone at 10:20.

Stacy Potz and Pauline McCann; unknown.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #132 on: December 21, 2019, 01:07:46 PM »
More to the point what had this woman who you believe abducted Madeleine done with her on her return to England?

No one knows for sure the reason MM disappeared.  Some believe an accident in 5A and subsequent cover up by parents and members of T7.  Some, like myself, believe MM was abducted but I have no idea what the motive was: raise as own, sadistic/sexual, procure for a.n other for emotional/financial reasons, social experiment and potentially other reasons I haven't thought of.

Afaik this woman's testimony about returning to England on Saturday 5th May was not corroborated?  It seems she was in England on 8th May when she provided Leicester police with a wit stat but I have not seen the wit stat to know whether it was face-to-face or over the phone.  If the former then the meeting took place not at the home address but at a temporary place of work where rooms are available to anyone on a commercial basis. It seems the husband spoke to the police over the phone only.  He apparently had business in EU and therefore may have remained within the Schengen area.   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #133 on: December 21, 2019, 01:13:18 PM »
Unpacked MM from a suitcase, which went uninspected through customs (assuming she survived in the cargo hold), and then revived her with smelling salts.  Enrolled her at the nearest prep school, registered her with a doctor, had her eyes fitted with contacts by a dodgy optician to conceal the coloboma...etc, etc.

Who said anything about MM removed from Schengen area?

Or... despite being on the verge of her sixtieth childless decade and desperate to 'adopt by abduction', she abandoned MM by the roadside in Portugal on the way to the airport.  Which would put this woman in a totally different league to the McCanns

If MM was abducted I don't know anything about the emotional/mental health of the abductor and/or motive so I would only be speculating. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: When, where and how did witnesses learn of MM's disappearance?
« Reply #134 on: December 21, 2019, 01:23:14 PM »
You seem to be trying to find more weak evidence to support your claim to have solved the case...the best evidence you havent is the complete inaction of SY...the PJ ...and the McCanns. its been 5 months since you claim to have solved the case...id say its about time you understand how wrong you are

If CT learnt about the abduction on Saturday why should she try and hide the fact

Unless you are currently in the employ of SY/PJ how can you possibly know what is going on, especially given Portuguese secrecy laws surrounding criminal cases?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?