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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2019, 10:15:14 PM »
Thanks but some still seem to see 'Tannerman' as MM's abductor.

The possibility has not been totally ruled out

Offline barrier

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2019, 10:18:05 PM »
Thanks but some still seem to see 'Tannerman' as MM's abductor.

OG were at pains to point out that they are almost certain that Tannerman was not the abductor,Smithy on the other hand..........
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2019, 10:28:18 PM »
The possibility has not been totally ruled out

On what basis does any reasonable doubt exist?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2019, 10:32:02 PM »
On what basis does any reasonable doubt exist?
Redwood said almost certainly.. Not certainly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2019, 10:38:38 PM »

Yes, it's likely there was another man of similar appearance carrying another barefoot child in the same manner at around the same time.

Maybe not just one, perhaps there was a whole line of them doing laps around the block.

Jane Tanner should know if SY got it wrong, but she seems to have disappeared.
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Offline Myster

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2019, 05:51:46 AM »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline barrier

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2019, 07:46:44 AM »
... https://youtu.be/OZ8jmdWlB8Y?t=1366
Redwood said the description of the girl being carried by Smithman  was very close to that of Madeleine McCann,that's never been said of Tannerman child by a brit police officer involved in the investigation.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2019, 08:42:18 AM »
As the Totman's came forward and said they thought sighting may well have been Dr T I think we can safely assume Dr T was walking around with his daughter alone on 3rd May.

FP claims in her police rog that she and DW would often leave DP in apartment to settle children while they headed down to tapas.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Dr T arrived back at apt having played tennis and wanted to take a shower and break before heading out and/or his daughter wouldn't settle so Mrs T and the Weinbergers headed up to Millenium with Dr T following after dropping daughter off at crèche.

What happened to the Totman's young son and the Weinberger children?  Did they go to crèche earlier?

One fly in the ointment with that idea is the Tanner sighting fits very poorly with going to or coming from the night crèche.

It can be done but there are easier, shorter, more logical routes.

If it was Totman, he was doing it the hard way.  *%87
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2019, 09:25:16 AM »
Yes, it's likely there was another man of similar appearance carrying another barefoot child in the same manner at around the same time.

Maybe not just one, perhaps there was a whole line of them doing laps around the block.

Jane Tanner should know if SY got it wrong, but she seems to have disappeared.
How many young girls were sleeping at the creche that night?  How would they have been collected by their parents?  Which parent would have done the carrying?  Think about it.
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Offline Anthro

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2019, 10:54:23 AM »
I'm currently on my iPhone but able to use the quote facility.  No probs if you can't I was just curious.  What's a 101?

What's your definition of credible info?

- The Totmans contacted the authorities in aftermath saying they thought 'Tannerman' and Dr T might be one and the same.  For whatever reason this wasn't followed up.
- OG are confident they've eliminated 'Tannerman' by identifying him through crèche records.  The elimination is thought to be based on Dr T.
- The night crèche is only available to guests dining at Millenium or Tapas.  We know Dr T didn't dine at Tapas.

‘101 is a topic for beginners in any area. It has all the basic principles and concepts that are expected in a particular field. In American university course numbering systems, the number 101 is often used for an introductory course at a beginner's level in a department's subject area.’ (wikipedia)

Does anyone know if the Totmans were there for 2 weeks on half board or full board?

Offline Anthro

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2019, 10:55:21 AM »
At the top right of every post is a small box entitled quote.. Click on that and it quotes the post... You just type your reply after the quote bracket... I presume a 101 is a one on one

Thank you, Davel.

Offline The General

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2019, 11:39:48 AM »
... https://youtu.be/OZ8jmdWlB8Y?t=1366

Almost certain? Go on telly and say 'almost certain'? Mostly harmless? 'It's good, but it's not right'.
So it still could be and the timeline discussed that was referred to for 4 years is 'nearly wrong'?

And some have the audacity to castigate the PJ's investigation, when here's Redwood doing his best policemufication techniques and that, not ruling anything out, hedging his bets, PC Creosote.
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Offline kmc

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2019, 01:21:29 PM »
That evening, JT made 2 identical trips to her apartment.  On her second trip she would have been stressed knowing her youngest was ill and half an hour later she would learn another child had been abducted.

She would also have experienced group pressure to pinpoint a timeline, possibly resulting in too much emphasis on her 21.15 trip and a possible false/muddled recall.  (I imagine for the McCann family an earlier Tannerman would have made them feel better about their lack of later checks & for JT the fact that neither GM or JW noticed the man, would have made her feel less bad for offering information of seeing someone walking away with a child).

IMO there is a very real chance that the actual sighting of Tannerman was at 21.50 and that the lighting JT saw was from a street lamp. I think this because any premeditated abductor would likely have favoured the darker/less checking “window” whilst the main meals was served/eaten.  (Obviously, not counting on JT gobbling down her meal to swap with her partner).

It would also explain why JT and the Smith family subconsciously took more note of the man and scantily clad child -  than they would have done, say one hour earlier in the day.  Also, the Smithman/Tannerman description is almost identical making it likely that they may be the same person.  Additionally,  if Tannerman looped back around the street above -  it would have put him on course to bump into the Smith family at pretty much the exact time that Smithman was witnessed.

To me at the very least, this alternative sighting timing should have been considered as a possible hypothesis.   As a later Tannerman sighting would have indicated the possibility of an accomplice (due to child’s body position), no use of a get away car and a perp that likely lived in the vicinity of the Smith sighting so likely a local, plus they would have had two/three efits of the abductor.   (This one small detail, if it was muddled, could be responsible for why this case has taken so long to solve/unravel).

Offline G-Unit

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2019, 01:22:41 PM »
‘101 is a topic for beginners in any area. It has all the basic principles and concepts that are expected in a particular field. In American university course numbering systems, the number 101 is often used for an introductory course at a beginner's level in a department's subject area.’ (wikipedia)

Does anyone know if the Totmans were there for 2 weeks on half board or full board?

The Brochure at the time didn't mention full board, and neither did the price list;

At the Ocean Club, your half-board package includes breakfast served at the Millennium Restaurant, where you help yourself to a cooked, continental or healthier start to the day, and either lunch or dinner, (carte de table or buffet selection) in one of the two family friendly village restaurants. House wine is included with dinner.
http://web.archive.org/web/20061111225752/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/portugal/ocean_club/resort_details
http://web.archive.org/web/20061113023910/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/portugal/ocean_club/prices
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2019, 02:01:53 PM »
That evening, JT made 2 identical trips to her apartment.  On her second trip she would have been stressed knowing her youngest was ill and half an hour later she would learn another child had been abducted.

She would also have experienced group pressure to pinpoint a timeline, possibly resulting in too much emphasis on her 21.15 trip and a possible false/muddled recall.  (I imagine for the McCann family an earlier Tannerman would have made them feel better about their lack of later checks & for JT the fact that neither GM or JW noticed the man, would have made her feel less bad for offering information of seeing someone walking away with a child).

IMO there is a very real chance that the actual sighting of Tannerman was at 21.50 and that the lighting JT saw was from a street lamp. I think this because any premeditated abductor would likely have favoured the darker/less checking “window” whilst the main meals was served/eaten.  (Obviously, not counting on JT gobbling down her meal to swap with her partner).

It would also explain why JT and the Smith family subconsciously took more note of the man and scantily clad child -  than they would have done, say one hour earlier in the day.  Also, the Smithman/Tannerman description is almost identical making it likely that they may be the same person.  Additionally,  if Tannerman looped back around the street above -  it would have put him on course to bump into the Smith family at pretty much the exact time that Smithman was witnessed.

To me at the very least, this alternative sighting timing should have been considered as a possible hypothesis.   As a later Tannerman sighting would have indicated the possibility of an accomplice (due to child’s body position), no use of a get away car and a perp that likely lived in the vicinity of the Smith sighting so likely a local, plus they would have had two/three efits of the abductor.   (This one small detail, if it was muddled, could be responsible for why this case has taken so long to solve/unravel).

You agree with the PJ and Oakley then that Jane Tanner was an unreliable witness?
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