Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked

[Myster]

Hi Myster, I am not sure. Thanks to Shining in Luz, the following is attached:
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/madeleine-short-route-from-the-creche-pt2/

The question is... would Dr. Totman also know about that route, or indeed a different one?

[Holly Goodhead]

So you think that the Totman family were eating late ?

And Jane saw Dr Totman with his little girl carrying her to the creche before he joined them ?



Was this at about 9.40pm ?

Cos, I think I read that the creche closed at 10pm ... so was she going to the creche for fewer than 20 minutes ?

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Please correct me if my time details are wrong; I thought that it was about 9.50 that Jane made her second trip up Rua FGM back to her flat

What's the definition of late?  T9 booked their table for 8.30 pm ever night.  Maybe Dr T having played tennis ate earlier in the day and or had something when he returned to apartment and just went to Millennium for drink.

Dr T was on hols with his wife, 2 x young children and the Weinberg family incl their 2 young children.  Where was the rest of Dr T's party when he was observed at 9.15pm? 

According to KM's PB others wanted to book a table at tapas on 3rd May but were unable to do so because of the group booking.  KM said she didn't feel too bad about this when she learned that the others were staying on for another week.  As T9 were being allowed to flout the rules and book in advance did the Totman's (assuming it was them KM referred to) arrange with management that they could eat elsewhere and still use crèche? 

There are so many possibilities that DCI Redwood is aware of because he discussed with the family what they were doing that night.  We don't know the detail and people who say well Dr T was walking in wrong direction are simply putting their own slant on things.

Afaik JT did not return to tapas after 9.15 pm?

[Holly Goodhead]

So you think that the Totman family were eating late ?

And Jane saw Dr Totman with his little girl carrying her to the creche before he joined them ?



Was this at about 9.40pm ?

Cos, I think I read that the creche closed at 10pm ... so was she going to the creche for fewer than 20 minutes ?

   .



Please correct me if my time details are wrong; I thought that it was about 9.50 that Jane made her second trip up Rua FGM back to her flat

9.40 pm?

The crèche closed at 11 something.  I think it was 11.30 pm.

[Holly Goodhead]

The question is... would Dr. Totman also know about that route, or indeed a different one?

Assuming it was his first visit he had only been in resort some 5 days.  Did MW hand out a 'Welcome pack' with a location map of relevant sites eg crèche, Millennium, Tapas etc? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Another possibility is that Dr T was walking slightly ahead of his party with the others trailing behind which JT might not have seen if she nipped up the back passage!

[G-Unit]

Assuming it was his first visit he had only been in resort some 5 days.  Did MW hand out a 'Welcome pack' with a location map of relevant sites eg crèche, Millennium, Tapas etc?

MW did hand out a welcome pack, but whether it showed the cut through I don't know. It was Tuesday when Gerry McCann discovered the shortcut. Before that he was walking down to the supermarket then turning left up R Diretta.

 From memory, on Tuesday, 1 May 2007, being shown by RUSSELL, he went to pick up MADELEINE at creche using a short-cut that began at the car park opposite the secondary reception and went between the buildings, which he used to fetch and carry his daughter.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[Holly Goodhead]

MW did hand out a welcome pack, but whether it showed the cut through I don't know. It was Tuesday when Gerry McCann discovered the shortcut. Before that he was walking down to the supermarket then turning left up R Diretta.

 From memory, on Tuesday, 1 May 2007, being shown by RUSSELL, he went to pick up MADELEINE at creche using a short-cut that began at the car park opposite the secondary reception and went between the buildings, which he used to fetch and carry his daughter.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

And KM in her PB refers to showing FP a shortcut to one of the day creches hitherto unknown to FP and from memory this was later in the week rather than earlier; it might even had been the Thu.

Maybe the Totmans/Weinergers had been eating earlier during the week with the children and the night crèche was new to them due to Dr T playing tennis.   

[Holly Goodhead]

And KM in her PB refers to showing FP a shortcut to one of the day creches hitherto unknown to FP and from memory this was later in the week rather than earlier; it might even had been the Thu.

Maybe the Totmans/Weinergers had been eating earlier during the week with the children and the night crèche was new to them due to Dr T playing tennis.   

Assuming it was Tormans/Weinbergers who KM referred to who wanted to eat at tapas maybe the reason for this was that Dr T was playing tennis and they knew they would be later than usual. 

[barrier]

What we do know is,whoever it was Redwood interviewed they never saw any thing suspicious,how is this known,Redwood himself,"this allows us to move the time line on",move along folks nothing to see here.Smiithy is the one.He carried a girl fitting Madeleine's description, how is this known,Redwood again.

[Mr Gray]

What we do know is,whoever it was Redwood interviewed they never saw any thing suspicious,how is this known,Redwood himself,"this allows us to move the time line on",move along folks nothing to see here.Smiithy is the one.He carried a girl fitting Madeleine's description, how is this known,Redwood again.

Does anyone know if the smithman sighting was ever promoted in Portugal... Was, any appeal ever made.

[barrier]

Does anyone know if the smithman sighting was ever promoted in Portugal... Was, any appeal ever made.

Crime watch wasn't shown in Portugal was it,whether the PJ appear on similar platforms I guess only SIL might be able to answer.

[Mr Gray]

Crime watch wasn't shown in Portugal was it,whether the PJ appear on similar platforms I guess only SIL might be able to answer.

I've never seen any confirmation the sighting was promoted in Portugal which may be the reason he's never been identified

[G-Unit]

Does anyone know if the smithman sighting was ever promoted in Portugal... Was, any appeal ever made.

It would seem very strange if appeals weren't broadcast in Portugal where the events took place.

[barrier]

What we do know is,whoever it was Redwood interviewed they never saw any thing suspicious,how is this known,Redwood himself,"this allows us to move the time line on",move along folks nothing to see here.Smiithy is the one.He carried a girl fitting Madeleine's description, how is this known,Redwood again.

For clarity Redwoods exact words:"A description very close to that of Madeleine Mccann"


60/80% sure of who smithy was,description very close to that of Madeleine McCann,hmmm

I'm almost certain  Tanner never saw an abductor,to use a well trodden phrase, it seems as if OG agree with me.

[Mr Gray]

It would seem very strange if appeals weren't broadcast in Portugal where the events took place.

It would...I seem to remember sil not being able to answer the question when I asked it previously

If the Portuguese authorities were convinced the mccanns were guilty why would they promote it