Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked

[barrier]

What's the definition of late?  T9 booked their table for 8.30 pm ever night.  Maybe Dr T having played tennis ate earlier in the day and or had something when he returned to apartment and just went to Millennium for drink.

Dr T was on hols with his wife, 2 x young children and the Weinberg family incl their 2 young children.  Where was the rest of Dr T's party when he was observed at 9.15pm? 

According to KM's PB others wanted to book a table at tapas on 3rd May but were unable to do so because of the group booking.  KM said she didn't feel too bad about this when she learned that the others were staying on for another week.  As T9 were being allowed to flout the rules and book in advance did the Totman's (assuming it was them KM referred to) arrange with management that they could eat elsewhere and still use crèche? 

There are so many possibilities that DCI Redwood is aware of because he discussed with the family what they were doing that night.  We don't know the detail and people who say well Dr T was walking in wrong direction are simply putting their own slant on things.

Afaik JT did not return to tapas after 9.15 pm?

Very true.

[ShiningInLuz]

The 'wrong direction' angle was picked up by case watchers immediately, and it was broadcast on UK national TV on 2 May 2017.

There are other issues with Totman = Tannerman.

Such issues can be resolved only by access to Totman or insider knowledge of OG.

As far as I am concerned, these issues are sufficiently major to leave open the question of whether Totman = Tannerman.

[G-Unit]

What's the definition of late?  T9 booked their table for 8.30 pm ever night.  Maybe Dr T having played tennis ate earlier in the day and or had something when he returned to apartment and just went to Millennium for drink.

Dr T was on hols with his wife, 2 x young children and the Weinberg family incl their 2 young children.  Where was the rest of Dr T's party when he was observed at 9.15pm? 

According to KM's PB others wanted to book a table at tapas on 3rd May but were unable to do so because of the group booking.  KM said she didn't feel too bad about this when she learned that the others were staying on for another week.  As T9 were being allowed to flout the rules and book in advance did the Totman's (assuming it was them KM referred to) arrange with management that they could eat elsewhere and still use crèche? 

There are so many possibilities that DCI Redwood is aware of because he discussed with the family what they were doing that night.  We don't know the detail and people who say well Dr T was walking in wrong direction are simply putting their own slant on things.

Afaik JT did not return to tapas after 9.15 pm?

Neil Berry said about 3rd;

I tried to reserve a table at the Tapas Bar for that night but it was fully booked. I spoke about this with Raj Balu and we decided to order a meal from the restaurant and we dined together in our apartment, as testified in my statement of 7th May 2007.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm

Jane Tanner says she returned to the restaurant after her first check. She then went to relieve Russell at 9.40 so he could get his meal.

[barrier]

The 'wrong direction' angle was picked up by case watchers immediately, and it was broadcast on UK national TV on 2 May 2017.

There are other issues with Totman = Tannerman.

Such issues can be resolved only by access to Totman or insider knowledge of OG.

As far as I am concerned, these issues are sufficiently major to leave open the question of whether Totman = Tannerman.

I agree,whoever it was clearly saw nothing suspicious or maybe something that enabled OG to move it along.

[Holly Goodhead]

Does anyone know if the smithman sighting was ever promoted in Portugal... Was, any appeal ever made.

I doubt it given Potuguese secrecy laws surrounding these cases and their reluctance to involve the media. 

[Mr Gray]

I doubt it given Potuguese secrecy laws surrounding these cases and their reluctance to involve the media.

I agree....so Smithman may well be some innocent Portuguese

[Holly Goodhead]

Neil Berry said about 3rd;

I tried to reserve a table at the Tapas Bar for that night but it was fully booked. I spoke about this with Raj Balu and we decided to order a meal from the restaurant and we dined together in our apartment, as testified in my statement of 7th May 2007.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm

Jane Tanner says she returned to the restaurant after her first check. She then went to relieve Russell at 9.40 so he could get his meal.

But was Neil Berry there for another week?  According to KM the person(s) who tried to book were there for a second week?

So JT checked at 9.15 pm returned to restaurant and then relieved ROB at 9.40 pm.

[Holly Goodhead]

I agree....so Smithman may well be some innocent Portuguese

Could well be or anyone from anywhere that wasn't into the story.

People have pre-conceived ideas eg they're interested in the case and expect everyone else to be.  Before posting here I could not have told you anything about the case other than the most basic details.  I can think of loads of people that I know who would be unaware of the most basic details even if they had been in Portugal at the time.  My brother for example would take the view it's nothing to do with him and it wouldn't interest him at all. 

[Mr Gray]

Could well be or anyone from anywhere that wasn't into the story.

People have pre-conceived ideas eg they're interested in the case and expect everyone else to be.  Before posting here I could not have told you anything about the case other than the most basic details.  I can think of loads of people that I know who would be unaware of the most basic details even if they had been in Portugal at the time.  My brother for example would take the view it's nothing to do with him and it wouldn't interest him at all.

I agree that most poeple have little knowledge of the case but that doesn not stop them having any interest.  doubt netflix would have made the doc if they didnt expect quite  a large audience......I doubt the press would kept it in the news if it didnt sell papers.

[barrier]

I don't think it would be unfair to assume that the other 7 families with children in the creche could account for  tannermans movements,it was obviously corroborated.

[barrier]

I agree that most poeple have little knowledge of the case but that doesn not stop them having any interest.  doubt netflix would have made the doc if they didnt expect quite  a large audience......I doubt the press would kept it in the news if it didnt sell papers.

How many extra people actually buy a newspaper because of the McCann case,does it even make the front page,I guess the red tops such as the Star would have something there.Have a look at the daily Star online,would the family spokesman really want Madeleine to be associated with that

[Holly Goodhead]

I agree that most poeple have little knowledge of the case but that doesn not stop them having any interest.  doubt netflix would have made the doc if they didnt expect quite  a large audience......I doubt the press would kept it in the news if it didnt sell papers.

When was 'Smithman' first bandied about? 

I think a significant % of the population have no interest or knowledge about the case. 

What % of developed population read papers or watch Netflix?

[Mr Gray]

When was 'Smithman' first bandied about? 

I think a significant % of the population have no interest or knowledge about the case. 

What % of developed population read papers or watch Netflix?

your argumnet is getting  a little jumbled imo....some have interest but little knowledge...you spoke to two random poeple in M and S...both seemed to have an interest in the case though little knowledge. I dont see waht your point is. mine is understanding why Smithmna has not been identified. These sort of cases often rely on informtion from the public

[Holly Goodhead]

The 'wrong direction' angle was picked up by case watchers immediately, and it was broadcast on UK national TV on 2 May 2017.

There are other issues with Totman = Tannerman.

Such issues can be resolved only by access to Totman or insider knowledge of OG.

As far as I am concerned, these issues are sufficiently major to leave open the question of whether Totman = Tannerman.

But what is the 'wrong direction' angle based on?

Surely the fact DCI Redwood discussed with the family what they were doing that evening and is almost certain Dr T and Tannerman are one and the same means that as far as DCI Redwood is concerned Dr T was walking in the right direction?   If I was DCI Redwood and knew Dr T was walking in right direction I would say 'almost certain' as it can't be 100% ruled out that 2 men of similar appearance carrying a child of similar appearance were in the vicinity at a similar time.  But what would be the odds of all these similarities occurring in a small resort low season? 

[Anthro]

This is what Heriberto said on 8 May 2018:

“In my opinion, she (Jane Tanner) did not leave the table at 21:15. He (Russell o’ Brien) saw their daugthers at 21:05, and then he went at 21:30, discovering that one of them had vomited. She went at 21:45-21:50.

After the abduction, not knowing Portuguese laws, they were worried about that half an hour, with their daughters alone, and one of them vomiting, and the police questioning.

So he decided to make timelines clearly showing he was at 21:00, she was at 21:15, he was at 21:30, she was at 21:45. And show them to the rest of the group, implanting false memories.

She did not see Gerry and Jez at 21:15, she heard Gerry saying "I met Jez".”

The two names in brackets were added by me. If this is not correct, I apologise to Heri.