An analysis of HiDeHo's video on the dogs.

[debunker]

Watch here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkkabHP4xlc

0.08 If Madeleine is alive, who died in the apartment? (Assumes an alert indicates the presence ofa body, a conclusion continuously denied by Mr Grime their handler)
0.13 Eddie, the Cadaver dog (Who reacts to cadaver odor AND to blood)
0.19 "he picks up a scent which he recognises" (cadaver or blood)
0.20 Eddie alerts to cadaver odor in the McCann's bedroom (Eddie reacts to an odor that could be blood or cadaver)
0.25 Eddie alerts behind the sofa in the McCann's apartment (to either blood or cadaver odor)
0.29 Keela the blood dog (if she fails to react, it is indicative that Eddie may have been reacting to cadaver odor)
0.41 Keela reacts to blood behind the sofa in the McCann's apartment (meaning that Eddie's reaction was to blood, not cadaver)
1.19 Blood was found beneath the tiles (forensics did not connect this to the McCann's DNA- it could even be from a cut on the tiler's hand
1.25 15:19 markers matched Madeleine's DNA (this is an error- that result was for the LCNDNA Analysis from the Renault Scenic. The results for the blood from the apartment was inconclusive)

I will leave it to readers todecide how accurate HiDeHo's videos are.

I willl deal with the LCNDNA Renault results when we discuss the FSS and DNA results.

[debunker]

Well it has been up for twenty minutes without contradiction from Stephen25000 so we may assume that (as he is on line and was on thisthread reading it) that he has no contrary evidence.

HIDeHo lives in Canada so is probably not up yet. We hope to hear from her with a defence for her mistaken propaganda video. Every one of them can be shown to be fullof errors, but who has the time topoint all th e errors out?

[debunker]

No, HiDeHo is on line at 5am her time and Stephen25000 has gone incognito after he realised I was watching him reading this thread.

[stephen25000]

Well it has been up for twenty minutes without contradiction from Stephen25000 so we may assume that (as he is on line and was on thisthread reading it) that he has no contrary evidence.

HIDeHo lives in Canada so is probably not up yet. We hope to hear from her with a defence for her mistaken propaganda video. Every one of them can be shown to be fullof errors, but who has the time topoint all th e errors out?

Assume nothing. I am working online.

P.S. I also use a notepad but somehow manage to evade 'errors'.

[debunker]

Now you are here, what d layout make of the egregious errors in this video?

[debunker]

Morning HiDeHo.

I see you are reading this page.

ANy reaction.

[HiDeHo]

Morning HiDeHo.

I see you are reading this page.

ANy reaction.

Hi debunker. Actually I wasn't reading the page.  The forum may have been open on my pc but it was 5.30am.  Not my time to be actively indulging in debate.

However, I have a little time now so I will review the questions....(btw, the forum was 'down' around this time last night)

Before I check the questions, I have only glanced at them I would like to make it clear that I am NOT an expert on the dogs, BUT I do a lot of research as I am making the videos and attempt to double check  to be as sure as i can.

I WILL say that initially I was not aware that Eddie ALSO alerted to blood until it was brought to my attention and I made every effort (and continue to do so) to amend the videos. This was fairly early into my videos, so hopefully the remainder were correct.
0.08 If Madeleine is alive, who died in the apartment? (Assumes an alert indicates the presence ofa body, a conclusion continuously denied by Mr Grime their handler)


0.13 Eddie, the Cadaver dog (Who reacts to cadaver odor AND to blood)


Yes, you are correct. Eddie alerts to both CADAVER AND BLOOD.

Eddie alerted behind the sofa to what could have been Cadaver odour OR blood.

Keela alerts IN EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE!

For the sake of 'argument' lets just say that it was ONLY 'blood' (or body fluids) behind the sofa...What are the chances BOTH dogs would alert in the same place?

0.19 "he picks up a scent which he recognises" (cadaver or blood)


0.20 Eddie alerts to cadaver odor in the McCann's bedroom (Eddie reacts to an odor that could be blood or cadaver)

I don't need to tell you that Eddie and Keela are used in tandem. They BOTH alert to blood but only EDDIE alerts to CADAVER odour.

There was no 'blood' found in the bedroom so Eddie was therefore alerting to CADAVER odour.



0.25 Eddie alerts behind the sofa in the McCann's apartment (to either blood or cadaver odor)

Yes...

0.29 Keela the blood dog (if she fails to react, it is indicative that Eddie may have been reacting to cadaver odor)

Yes...

0.41 Keela reacts to blood behind the sofa in the McCann's apartment (meaning that Eddie's reaction was to blood, not cadaver)

Yes... (although it MAY have been Cadaver odour but that is only confirmed if Keela does not alert.

1.19 Blood was found beneath the tiles (forensics did not connect this to the McCann's DNA- it could even be from a cut on the tiler's hand

The results for the  'blood' (or body fluids) from the apartment, I have to admit, is not retained in my memory.  If it was fro the tilers hand it would have probably been negative. (I am not an expert though) but anything less than 99% is considered  'inconclusive', though, from what i understand 'inconclusive' was not used anywhere in the files. however, at what point is there a POSSIBILITY it may belong to someone specific....70%?, 80%? 99%?


1.25 15:19 markers matched Madeleine's DNA (this is an error- that result was for the LCNDNA Analysis from the Renault Scenic. The results for the blood from the apartment was inconclusive)

What IS known that Madeleine's DNA in the Scenic is FAR more damaging than  the apartment.  Madeleine was SUPPOSED to be in he apartment,  Her DNA should NOT have been in the Scenic AT ALL!

In Portugal they require 19:19 markers to be conclusive.

(In UK I believe it is 13:13 and States is 10:10, though may be the other way around)

The DNA was 15:19.

If the four remaining markers did not belng to Madeleine then the DNA would NOT have been hers, HOWEVER the four remaining markers were degraded so they MAY have belonged to Madeleine. Therefore it DOES NOT EXCLUDE the DNA belonging to Madeleine.

According to EXPERTS (Mdme Adamis) the chances of even SIBLINGS having 15 markers match would be in the region of 1:1BILLION

EVERYONE shares 99% DNA but it is the remaining 1% that determines the results of a match


I will leave it to readers todecide how accurate HiDeHo's videos are.

Thank you debunker..I will ALSO leave it to the readers to decide if there were any inaccuracies in that video.


I willl deal with the LCNDNA Renault results when we discuss the FSS and DNA results.


I will look forward to it...but PLEASE keep it on topic according to the information in the videos that you claim I have incorrectly added.

Remember...I am not an expert in this field...I only create videos to the best of my ability.

[HiDeHo]

Just to add.  I made the above post from memory so I would like to know of any inaccuracies. 

[celtclogs]

HiDeHo your video's are

[debunker]

You are completely uunaware of the facts in this case and totally biased in your views.

WHere is your evidence that Keela did not react in the bedroom? Neither the video nor the written record say that Keela was deployed there.

MR Grime's summary is clear:

"Therefore in this particular case, as no human remains were located, the only alert indications that may become corroborated are those that the CSI dog indicated by forensic laboratory analysis.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence."

HOw do you explain the variance between your claims and Mr Grime's summary. Who is more likely to be correct?

[debunker]

The result of the tests in 5a was inconclusive. No identifiable DNA was discovered.

HOw do you explain your production of results from the Scenic as those from 5a? Do you agree that the results you quote do not relate t 5a

[debunker]

HiDeHo your video's are

 

ANyone who finds HiDeHo's videos factual and convincing obvi only has no forensic dicriminative ability and what's more, no bullshit detector.

[debunker]

HiDeHo your video's are

 

ANyone who finds HiDeHo's videos factual and convincing obvi only has no forensic dicriminative ability and what's more, no bullshit detector.

I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that CeltClogs was being sarcastic... >@@(*&)

NO, celtclogs is a HiDeHo groupie.

[faithlilly]

@ bedbunker  It seems with viewings in the hundreds of thousands celtclogs is not the only one who appreciates HiDeHo's videos. Is that why you've picked her out for your particular brand of attention ?

[debunker]

@fartlillet
(Mess with my handle and I will mess with yours)

PEople will view anything on youtube.

THe videos are still ill researched puerile propaganda full of errors, distortions and some downright libel.