Did Mrs Pamela Fenn Slip Through The Net?!

[Holly Goodhead]

When I first started looking at this case I thought PF was arguably the most important witness and couldn't understand why a formal wit stat wasn't taken until 20th Aug. 

According to PF's niece's wit stat, PF was the only full-time resident (not sure if this was all OC properties or just Waterside Gardens).  Is this the reason PF wasn't spoken with until August?  Ie she slipped through the net because she didn't appear on data sheets produced by OC management?

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EXTERNAL.htm

How do the Portuguese authorities determine who owns what property?  And is it different for apartments where several dwellings share the same land?

[Holly Goodhead]

What eventually prompted PJ to take a wit stat from PF on 20th Aug?  Was this around the time PJ were trying to construct a case against McCanns and PJ thought it might be able to rope PF in on the basis of her hearing arguments/commotion?  Hence she was asked:

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children.

[pathfinder73]

Kate did sleep in the spare bed so it should be further investigated.

[G-Unit]

When I first started looking at this case I thought PF was arguably the most important witness and couldn't understand why a formal wit stat wasn't taken until 20th Aug. 

According to PF's niece's wit stat, PF was the only full-time resident (not sure if this was all OC properties or just Waterside Gardens).  Is this the reason PF wasn't spoken with until August?  Ie she slipped through the net because she didn't appear on data sheets produced by OC management?

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EXTERNAL.htm

How do the Portuguese authorities determine who owns what property?  And is it different for apartments where several dwellings share the same land?

In Block 6 apartment 5 lived Maria Helena Horta, aged 75. Her apartment was directly opposite 5A, accross R. Dr. FGM. She gave no statement to the police either, despite being very close to 5A.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6628033.stm

[Holly Goodhead]

In Block 6 apartment 5 lived Maria Helena Horta, aged 75. Her apartment was directly opposite 5A, accross R. Dr. FGM. She gave no statement to the police either, despite being very close to 5A.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6628033.stm

How do you know she didn't give a statement to PJ?

But very close isn't the same as directly above.  Mrs Horta in block 6 and the McCanns in 5A were separated by FGM.  I doubt Mrs Horta even knew of the McCanns until they became front page news unlike PF who had seen and heard the McCanns and although unlikely to have known them by name was aware of the family holidaying below. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Kate did sleep in the spare bed so it should be further investigated.

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[G-Unit]

How do you know she didn't give a statement to PJ?

But very close isn't the same as directly above.  Mrs Horta in block 6 and the McCanns in 5A were separated by FGM.  I doubt Mrs Horta even knew of the McCanns until they became front page news unlike PF who had seen and heard the McCanns and although unlikely to have known them by name was aware of the family holidaying below.

PF saw them in the street, why shouldn't Mrs Horta have seen them in the street? She also had a much better viewpoint, being able to see the entrance to the Tapas complex and the side gate of 5A. The PJ had as much reason to interview her as they had to interview PJ. Perhaps they were both approached and both said they had nothing to report? You don't know, that's the point.

[Holly Goodhead]

PF saw them in the street, why shouldn't Mrs Horta have seen them in the street? She also had a much better viewpoint, being able to see the entrance to the Tapas complex and the side gate of 5A. The PJ had as much reason to interview her as they had to interview PJ. Perhaps they were both approached and both said they had nothing to report? You don't know, that's the point.

Living directly above is not the same as living over the road.  Where's the evidence what Mrs Horta could and couldn't see from her apartment?  How could she see the side gate to 5A and tapas entrance? 

[Holly Goodhead]

PF saw them in the street, why shouldn't Mrs Horta have seen them in the street? She also had a much better viewpoint, being able to see the entrance to the Tapas complex and the side gate of 5A. The PJ had as much reason to interview her as they had to interview PJ. Perhaps they were both approached and both said they had nothing to report? You don't know, that's the point.

Well we know PF was eventually approached as per her 20th Aug wit stat and it turned out she had a lot to report. 

In terms of Mrs Horta did she ever actually make a wit stat?

[Holly Goodhead]

In Block 6 apartment 5 lived Maria Helena Horta, aged 75. Her apartment was directly opposite 5A, accross R. Dr. FGM. She gave no statement to the police either, despite being very close to 5A.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6628033.stm

Where are you getting block 6 apartment 5 from?  The article refers to Mrs Horta living in a house and the McCanns staying in an apartment?  I thought the apartments were were all given two letters too to denote floor and position eg apartment 5GA for McCanns and apartment 5GB for Oldfields etc.

[G-Unit]

Where are you getting block 6 apartment 5 from?  The article refers to Mrs Horta living in a house and the McCanns staying in an apartment?  I thought the apartments were were all given two letters too to denote floor and position eg apartment 5GA for McCanns and apartment 5GB for Oldfields etc.

Her sister-in-law gave a statement;

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm

Mrs F lived in block 5 apartment 20, according to her neice;

CT' Apartment 20.

DC1485'Waterside Gardens'

CT' Yes. Waterside Gardens, yes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

[Robittybob1]

Her sister-in-law gave a statement;

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm

Mrs F lived in block 5 apartment 20, according to her neice;

CT' Apartment 20.

DC1485'Waterside Gardens'

CT' Yes. Waterside Gardens, yes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

That doesn't mean CT was right.  She may have been totally mistaken about the room number.

[G-Unit]

That doesn't mean CT was right.  She may have been totally mistaken about the room number.

She knew it was a number, not a letter. The letters were an OC/MW construct.

[Holly Goodhead]

She knew it was a number, not a letter. The letters were an OC/MW construct.

But how can we determine exactly which property the friend is referring to from block 6, apartment 5?

There surely must be some consistent identification of these properties along with inhabitants for such eventualities as fire, insurance for shared areas etc?

Obviously the properties let by OC will come under it's responsibility and they would have been in a position to provide info to PJ about which ones were let and by whom and which ones available but vacant but what those that didn't fall into this criteria? 

[G-Unit]

But how can we determine exactly which property the friend is referring to from block 6, apartment 5?

There surely must be some consistent identification of these properties along with inhabitants for such eventualities as fire, insurance for shared areas etc?

Obviously the properties let by OC will come under it's responsibility and they would have been in a position to provide info to PJ about which ones were let and by whom and which ones available but vacant but what those that didn't fall into this criteria?

I seem to recall Shining in Luz researching the numbering system in block 6.

I expect the police had a way of working out who lived in block 5.