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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2020, 12:44:56 PM »
A soc reconstruction (which to date has not been carried out by experts: ballistics, pathologist, soc analyst) by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks would absolve JB.

The UK has few mass shootings due to its firearms laws/licensing hence when they do happen the expertise is lacking.  It is almost certain that an expert of the calibre of Vincent Di Maio from the US would completely absolve JB. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Di_Maio

Afaik White House Farm is the only mass shooting to have occurred during peacetime and where there has been some argument as to who was responsible.  Other mass shootings eg Hungerford, Cumbria and Dunblane were all cut and dried.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

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Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2020, 12:45:43 PM »
It has never been concluded whether 25 or 26 bullets were discharged which gives some idea of the state of play at soc and pathological evidence.  Furthermore some of the casings had been loaded on a previous occasion evidenced by marks made by inserting them into the magazine.  Given the experts were unable to determine how many shots were fired at victims and explain the markings why would you expect JB to be able to account for the above?  And there's no evidence that WHF operated on the basis of a place for everything and everything in its place.  For all anyone knows NB might have had a pile of cartridges on his desk from emptying the magazine on a previous occasion(s) and the perp took from this location.  Or perp may have taken from elsewhere including the pile of ammo stored under the stairs. 

I don't believe the above featured at trial?

Is the Tv showing Taff in his true light in so far as he decided murder/ suicide and that was it come what may and as far I could see the  mattresses and presumably bedding was destroyed in the fire pit before the pathologist could complete his investigations?
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Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2020, 12:48:33 PM »
The UK has few mass shootings due to its firearms laws/licensing hence when they do happen the expertise is lacking.  It is almost certain that an expert of the calibre of Vincent Di Maio from the US would completely absolve JB. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Di_Maio

Afaik White House Farm is the only mass shooting to have occurred during peacetime and where there has been some argument as to who was responsible.  Other mass shootings eg Hungerford, Cumbria and Dunblane were all cut and dried.

So WHF has two possibilities Sheila or Jeremy.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2020, 12:53:01 PM »
IYO one presumes.

No not imo.  Its all based on scientific fact. 



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

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Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2020, 12:56:11 PM »
Was this true? convenient alibi,didn't work though.

From that point forward Sheila had little time with her sons, and according to Bamber, the family had spoken about putting them into foster care on the night they were all killed.

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/who-sheila-caffell-accused-white-3741900
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Offline barrier

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2020, 12:57:58 PM »
No not imo.  Its all based on scientific fact.

I'm sure this as all been discussed before,doesn't seem as the authorities who keep Bamber locked up are on your wavelength.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2020, 12:58:20 PM »
So WHF has two possibilities Sheila or Jeremy.

Yes lawyers for defence and prosecution along with trial judge agreed perp was either JB or SC and no other possibility existed.  This was due to the fact the property was found secured from within but the prosecution was able to argue JB knew of a way of closing a window shut behind him causing it to become secured from within!  A pity jurors were not taken to White House Farm to see how this worked in practice! 

Of course all sorts of nutty people put forward bizarre theories involving mystery third persons but in reality twas JB or SC. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2020, 01:04:09 PM »
Was this true? convenient alibi,didn't work though.

From that point forward Sheila had little time with her sons, and according to Bamber, the family had spoken about putting them into foster care on the night they were all killed.

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/who-sheila-caffell-accused-white-3741900

SC last received in-patient psychiatric care in Mar/Apr 85 and was discharged around that time.  Up until the murders CC had custody of the children (from SC's last breakdown) and was looking to NB for support in getting SC to see this was in the twin's best interest on a permanent basis.  He wrote a damning letter to NB (not actually sent) about how SC just wasn't coping with the twins so much so the twins head teacher has raised the subject with CC. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2020, 01:15:18 PM »
I'm sure this as all been discussed before,doesn't seem as the authorities who keep Bamber locked up are on your wavelength.

No a soc reconstruction has never been carried out showing who was shot where and order of shootings as far as possible to determine.  Please bear in mind this case dates back to mid 80's at a time when private forensic service providers as we know them today were unheard of.  The defence was largely dependent on the Home Office funded Forensic Science Service which a) wasn't fit for purpose and b) was conflicted by its dual role in acting for the police/prosecution:

3.3.1 Following some high profile quality failures in the 1980s the FSS implemented accreditation to quality standards from 1993 onwards, a world first for forensic science. The present FSS in-house quality framework goes well beyond the basic requirements of ISO17025 and is in close accord with the FSR’s forthcoming Codes. Indeed, before closure was announced the FSS were planning to act as a test-bed for compliance to this code later this year.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2020, 01:34:41 PM »
Is the Tv showing Taff in his true light in so far as he decided murder/ suicide and that was it come what may and as far I could see the  mattresses and presumably bedding was destroyed in the fire pit before the pathologist could complete his investigations?

Its all myth.  Firstly the most senior officer at soc was Chief Sup George Harris who arrived long before DCI 'Taff' Jones and DS Stanley Jones.  The Chief Sup wrote the soc off as 4 murders/1 suicide along with police surgeon Dr Ian Craig. 

Soc officer DC Hammerlsey confirmed at trial everything of evidential value by way of blood stained bedding etc had been collected, given an exhibit number and preserved for forensics. 

DCI Jones made notes in his notebook about the doors and windows all secured from within.  He also made a note about blood stains on carpets notably the landing and hall which really tells the story.

One assumes DCI Jones was made a DCI for a reason.  Unfortunately he had a tragic accident shortly before trial and died.  He was always of the opinion SC was responsible.  The accident was genuine in that he fell off some ladders carrying out diy at home.   

If you're interested you can read wit stats etc in the archives/library.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2020, 01:52:08 PM »

Having followed this Forum for a very long time, I think it is fair to say that Holly knows what she is talking about when it comes to The Bamber Case.

Offline John

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2020, 03:54:42 PM »
You'll get there in the end, just like APRIL and Caroline did.  8(0(*

I think some people don't realise the shock and pain inflicted on the body after a gunshot and especially one to the neck. Had Sheila shot herself she would have been rendered unconscious or rolling all over the floor in agony with blood going everywhere and especially on her hands and fingers. None of that happened here, there were no blood smears anywhere on her face or neck, she certainly didn't react to the first shot which suggests she was rendered incapable of responding.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2020, 04:05:45 PM »
Don't be too sure of that.  There could be a Reasonable Doubt, which is what I have always suspected.

There is no such thing as reasonable doubt in the Bamber case, the evidence simply rules out Sheila and implicates Jeremy.  No IMO needed or offered.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2020, 04:15:48 PM »
A soc reconstruction (which to date has not been carried out by experts: ballistics, pathologist, soc analyst) by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks would absolve JB.

Definitely not imo.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2020, 04:18:16 PM »
The UK has few mass shootings due to its firearms laws/licensing hence when they do happen the expertise is lacking.  It is almost certain that an expert of the calibre of Vincent Di Maio from the US would completely absolve JB. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Di_Maio

Afaik White House Farm is the only mass shooting to have occurred during peacetime and where there has been some argument as to who was responsible.  Other mass shootings eg Hungerford, Cumbria and Dunblane were all cut and dried.

Can't see it myself. The only evidence remaining is the location of the casings and the odd blood stain.  There is no trajectory evidence per sé. The accumulated evidence points directly at Jeremy Bamber and that is unchallengeable imo.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.