White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 3

[barrier]

John Hayward, the biologist, did test it and said it was unlikely to have had any evidential value.

Unlikely and not having any is totally different would you not agree,if it was the twins or even Sheilas, being of no blood relative to any of the Bambers it might have counted for a lot.

[Holly Goodhead]

Unlikely and not having any is totally different would you not agree,if it was the twins or even Sheilas, being of no blood relative to any of the Bambers it might have counted for a lot.

John Hayward's trial testimony explained why he thought it was irrelevant, bearing in mind he was effectively acting for the prosecution, but it seems Admin deleted the link:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7845.msg379422#msg379422

If it was blood from a victim then it must have been in the form of transfer ie a smear and I think they were small circular stains.

Also no one, other than John, has ever suggested JB drove to WHF to carry out the murders.  The police ruled this out on the basis they thought JB would have been seen or heard.  His cottage was surrounded by other properties.  The farmhouse is reached by a track along which sit cottages occupied by farm workers and others.

[barrier]

John Hayward's trial testimony explained why he thought it was irrelevant, bearing in mind he was effectively acting for the prosecution, but it seems Admin deleted the link:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7845.msg379422#msg379422

If it was blood from a victim then it must have been in the form of transfer ie a smear and I think they were small circular stains.

Also no one, other than John, has ever suggested JB drove to WHF to carry out the murders.  The police ruled this out on the basis they thought JB would have been seen or heard. His cottage was surrounded by other properties.  The farmhouse is reached by a track along which sit cottages occupied by farm workers and others.

John thinks he may have drove part way.

Bolded bit,one more reason for the silencer.

[Myster]

John thinks he may have drove part way.

Bolded bit,one more reason for the silencer.

In court the jury were shown three different routes, blue, red and green, which the police believed Bamber took, cycling to and from WHF, as in their diagram below.  The red (or back farm) route being the shortest and hidden from public gaze for at least a third of the distance, seemed to be the most likely one he used.

That farm track route still exists, starting from East Coast Classics (or A) at WHF to where it joins the B1026 Maldon Road, then SW on to Goldhanger...

https://www.google.com/maps/search/white+house+farm+tolleshunt+d'arcy/@51.7593843,0.7965025,1116m/data=!3m1!1e3

[barrier]

In court the jury were shown three different routes which the police believed Bamber took to and from WHF as in their diagram below.

No diagram.

[Myster]

No diagram.

I pressed the Post button too early! 

[Angelo222]

John Hayward's trial testimony explained why he thought it was irrelevant, bearing in mind he was effectively acting for the prosecution, but it seems Admin deleted the link:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7845.msg379422#msg379422

If it was blood from a victim then it must have been in the form of transfer ie a smear and I think they were small circular stains.

Also no one, other than John, has ever suggested JB drove to WHF to carry out the murders.  The police ruled this out on the basis they thought JB would have been seen or heard.  His cottage was surrounded by other properties.  The farmhouse is reached by a track along which sit cottages occupied by farm workers and others.

He could have left his car away from the cottage and walked to it and done the same when he returned.  There is also a rear lane into White House Farm which he could have used without attracting much attention.

[Caroline]

He could have left his car away from the cottage and walked to it and done the same when he returned.  There is also a rear lane into White House Farm which he could have used without attracting much attention.

Isn't the neighbour supposed to have said they saw his car? Of course this claim could be (like many more) BS!

[Nicholas]

Ann Eaton noticed the words "I HATE THIS PLACE" scraped into the front surface of a cupboard in the twins' bedroom.  When Colin Caffell visited WHF at Ann's invitation, he thought that Sheila might have been responsible for them, but not in the period just before the murders.

The ITV version showed Ann disturbed by the words which were located on a wall within the cupboard, not on the outside. I used to have a photo of the actual cupboard and words, but can't locate it now. So a computer-drawn version of them will have to suffice...

Looks like Bamber’s writing

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=634.0

[Myster]

Looks like Bamber’s writing

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=634.0

Another good find!  That was the photo I'd been looking for.

It looks like at some stage the words had been covered up with a sheet of paper, a drawing maybe, sellotaped around the edge because of the different shades of paintwork you can make out.

[John]

John Hayward, the biologist, did test it and said it was unlikely to have had any evidential value.

When the PJ wrote to former MW guests of 5A about any loss of blood they were told a young girl scraped her knee which bled and a man cut his face shaving.  The fact tiny blood stains were found on NB's car seat I don't find unusual especially given he was a farmer.

More recent DNA testing would have cleared this up. It was either irrelevant or the proverbial smoking gun.

[John]

Isn't the neighbour supposed to have said they saw his car? Of course this claim could be (like many more) BS!

Remembering too that all this took place in the wee small hours when most people are sleeping.

Just out of curiosity, has there been anything resurrected by the CT recently which could in any way clear JB?

[Holly Goodhead]

More recent DNA testing would have cleared this up. It was either irrelevant or the proverbial smoking gun.

Yes potentially dna tests might have revealed whose blood.  I will try and locate John Hayward's trial testimony re this.

Was NB's car at WHF when police arrived?

[Holly Goodhead]

John thinks he may have drove part way.

Bolded bit,one more reason for the silencer.

In whose car and parked where?  How did he then get to and from?

Myster has in the past uploaded vids of rifle fired with and without silencer and there's very little sound difference.

[Caroline]

Remembering too that all this took place in the wee small hours when most people are sleeping.

Just out of curiosity, has there been anything resurrected by the CT recently which could in any way clear JB?

I agree, I wouldn't hear my neighbours drive off in the small hours.

There is NOTHING that could/can clear him and resurrection is right!