Social Media Commentary Re JB And His Case

[steve_trousers]

Oh, it goes further than that

Margaret Thatcher, President Gorbachev, Ronald Reagan....they all had it in for Jem !

Holly later assured me it was a joke.  It was a reference to her despair at the campaign team being so unrelentingly dreadful, which is one of the things we are united on. Even Jeremy must wince at their incompetence.

[Holly Goodhead]

What were his views Holly?

And did you see Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstones article in the Guardian (Aug 2015) headed,

‘G4S paid author of 'independent' youth prison report as consultant’


‘A former prisons chief who wrote a glowing “independent” report about a controversial youth offender unit run by G4S had previously been paid thousands of pounds as a consultant for the private security firm, the Guardian has learned.

Sir Martin Narey, former director general of the prison service, published a report in July on Rainsbrook secure training centre in which he wrote that “very challenging children” were treated “overwhelmingly well”. He concluded: “My test in visiting places of custody for over 30 years is to reflect about how I’d feel if my son or daughter were incarcerated there. In Rainsbrook’s case, I would consider him or she to be safe and to be generally well treated.”

Narey’s verdict was delivered months after a joint report by Ofsted, the Care Quality Commission and the chief inspector of prisons in May into the centre condemned it for a series of failings . It pointed to the dismissal of six members of staff after a series of incidents of gross misconduct, staff who were on drugs on duty, and others who had behaved “extremely inappropriately” with young people, causing distress and humiliation.

Ofsted inspectors, who visited Rainsbrook in February, also revealed that a child who suffered a fracture, possibly as a result of being restrained, did not receive treatment for 15 hours because senior staff overruled clear clinical advice that he needed treatment.

The Ofsted report rated Rainsbrook “inadequate”– the lowest grading, prompting Frances Crook, the chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, to call it the “the worst report on a prison I have ever seen” and the Association of Youth Offending Team Managers to demand that the Youth Justice Board (YJB) cease placing children there.

Narey’s subsequent report, which appeared to show significant improvement at the unit, was referred to as an “independent report” on the YJB website despite Narey’s admission within the background notes that: “Since 2012, I have offered occasional advice to G4S on their care and custody of children.”

In fact, he has been a paid consultant for G4S for three years and in 2014 was paid more than £10,000 by the company. Narey was also paid to advise G4S on bidding for renewal of its contract to run Rainsbrook in 2016.

When approached by the Guardian, Narey confirmed he had been employed by G4S as a consultant until the end of the last financial year and that he agreed to offer an independent view of Rainsbrook as a one-off piece of work.

“My past financial relationship with G4S is made explicit in my report,” Narey said. “G4S will pay for that review although my report was written primarily for the YJB and the secretary of state.”

Asked if he had been part of the G4S bid team to run Rainsbrook for another seven years – a contract that is worth £92m –Narey said he advised the team on how their plans for Rainsbrook might be more child-friendly and how access to, and success in, education might be increased.

“I realised I would be criticised for defending G4S, as people have suggested my reputation is damaged,” Narey told the Guardian. “Life would have been easier if I had not agreed to do this report,” he said, but, he added, he saw a centre that “was not all perfect, but very good, very caring in fact” and that if he had found Rainsbrook to be unsafe, he would have said so “very loudly”. He also criticised the earlier Ofsted report into Rainsbrook, saying: “Ofsted are independent but not omniscient and their conclusions are misconceived.”
More here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/05/g4s-paid-martin-narey-independent-youth-prison-report-consultant

No I hadn't seen the article above.

Re the adoption report by Martin Narey he said his adoption experience was positive and he was happy in his adootive family.  He said the same was so for SC until she became mentally unwell.

Around this time I also spoke briefly with CC and sent him a copy of my letter.

[Caroline]

No I hadn't seen the article above.

Re the adoption report by Martin Narey he said his adoption experience was positive and he was happy in his adootive family.  He said the same was so for SC until she became mentally unwell.

Around this time I also spoke briefly with CC and sent him a copy of my letter.

What else was he going to say?

[Holly Goodhead]

What else was he going to say?

Well from memory I made comment about June's mental illness in 1959 having a detrimental effect on SC but he was nonplussed.  Maybe he didn't trust me and thought I was trying to incriminate him but I returned to this theme on numerous occasions and he never said anything negative about his family.

[Caroline]

Well from memory I made comment about June's mental illness in 1959 having a detrimental effect on SC but he was nonplussed.  Maybe he didn't trust me and thought I was trying to incriminate him but I returned to this theme on numerous occasions and he never said anything negative about his family.

Of course he wouldn't. He's not that silly. I didn't really ask him about his family (didn't see the point) but he was pretty nasty about Colin - which disturbed me.

[Holly Goodhead]

Of course he wouldn't. He's not that silly. I didn't really ask him about his family (didn't see the point) but he was pretty nasty about Colin - which disturbed me.

Neither am I that silly!  He could have over-egged my suggestion SC's issues were brought about by June but he didn't. 

[Caroline]

Neither am I that silly!  He could have over-egged my suggestion SC's issues were brought about by June but he didn't.

He knows better than to slag off the victims.

[Caroline]

He knows better than to slag off the victims.

By the way, I didn't say you were silly - nor did I imply it.

[APRIL]

No I hadn't seen the article above.

Re the adoption report by Martin Narey he said his adoption experience was positive and he was happy in his adootive family.  He said the same was so for SC until she became mentally unwell.

Around this time I also spoke briefly with CC and sent him a copy of my letter.

I can understand that he said his adoption experience was a positive one. I understand that many adopted children who have it drummed into them how lucky they are simply repeat it. Sheila, who, it seems, came in for more stick than Jeremy, probably had to try harder to make it feel like a positive experience.

[Holly Goodhead]

He knows better than to slag off the victims.

He didn't need to slag off the victims.  I put it to him about the June/SC relationship with much supporting evidence he could have agreed but he didn't really.  He seemed oblivious to it all.

[APRIL]

He didn't need to slag off the victims.  I put it to him about the June/SC relationship with much supporting evidence he could have agreed but he didn't really.  He seemed oblivious to it all.

I don't find that surprising -and not just because it's Jeremy, although I suspect he never had any great affection for her- siblings are rarely aware of what goes on in each other's worlds.

[Caroline]

He didn't need to slag off the victims.  I put it to him about the June/SC relationship with much supporting evidence he could have agreed but he didn't really.  He seemed oblivious to it all.

You mean he made no comment?

[Nicholas]

AuntAgatha states here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10181.msg477730.html#msg477730

“As I say, I’m no psychiatrist but I’ve been next to him when appeals have been prepared for, and lost.  When he’s been betrayed and when incorrectly portrayed.  Beside him when he’s had some money and watched him as he’s lost it.  Witnessed his behaviour as he struggles to have more information revealed and when he has seen it, I’ve seen him trying to come to terms with it all.

Our information was limited at the time, our resources were nil as was our support. We both knew we were not being told the truth, how what little information we did have did not quite fit the jigsaw puzzle we saw before us.  Thankfully, through jeremys focused perseverance alone, he has amassed a small army of supporters who along with Mike have diligently examined all the new info and have had the ability to question the old.

Sadly, I don’t believe Jeremy will ever be freed....but miracles can happen and his supporters must continue with their research and people should be supporting them when pressing the authorities for answers to so many unanswered questions.   There is very little translucency in this case.


Who’s she suggesting ‘betrayed’ him?

What does she mean about him being ‘incorrectly portrayed”?

What money is she referring to, the compensation for his alleged neck injury? And where is she suggesting it’s been ‘lost’?

Not being ‘told the truth’ by who?

What ‘jigsaw puzzle’ is she referring to?

Is she suggesting in the early days it was just her and Bamber? What about his previous girlfriends, where were they?

Was AuntAgatha alone responsible for starting the public campaigning?

Bump

[Nicholas]

And JackieD stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10181.msg477629.html#msg477629

”Sorry for the late reply but I have been out

If Jeremy had any marks on him at all 100% Mugford would have told the police

JM appears to have kept her distance therefore unlikely she’d have noticed anything

Julie Mugford stated,
“I’d been unable to make love to him or respond to him in anyway.
But sleep that night was impossible. Suddenly I heard his voice in the darkness: “Julie, I really do you love you, you know. And I’m so terribly sorry.”
Looking back now, I think that was the only nice thing Jeremy said to me during the whole terrible business”
(Source: News of the World )

Though Brett Collins may have as would anyone else he was intimate with at the time

including Anji Greaves

If it was Virginia why has Anji suggested otherwise ?

“”Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.””
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

[Nicholas]

Aunt Agatha stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10181.0.html

“One may have to copy and paste into browser, apologies I couldn’t get the full link up. Techno dinosaur.
When this first came out, I can catagorically state, without any hesitation, that when the police first entered the house, entered the kitchen, the police officer reported ‘one dead male, one dead female’.
The words ‘one dead female’ has been removed from this Michael winner film.
I wonder why.”


“For over twenty five years both Jeremy and I have stated that that was what was stated in the very beginning.  He has never changed his view on this.
Michael Winner made this film based on documented evidence....and it originally stated ‘one dead male, one dead female!’
Someone has made a decision to omit that from the film and therefore change the events of that day.
Also, a police officer radioed in that he saw a female on the kitchen floor, when he looked through the window, before entry.
So yes, this is all I have!!


This reads a lot like Michelle Diskin Bates statement on Bamber’s case

It’s still online here https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html