The phone call

[Caroline]

It’s ridiculous to assume Sheila even done any of this. This was done by a skilled marksman; somebody who also overpowered nevill in kitchen and somebody who didn’t waste a shot. Forensically Sheila has absolutely nothing that suggested she was involved in a struggle, nor that she reloaded and shot 20+ bullets. She also had no experience of using this gun and it was apparently one of the most difficult and complex guns to operate. Sheila did not do this crime so by default JB did; despite the lack of forensics on him as it was incorrectly deemed a murder suicide for a month giving him plenty of time to clean up.

I agree she didn't do it but it's not one of the most complicated guns to operate. However, to be able to use it, someone would have had to show you.

[Caroline]

If the calls were as described then it seems that Sheila had a gun, but hadn't used it. We don't know what Nevill thought was going to happen next because we don't know what had occured before the calls were made. Judging by what was reported he wasn't concerned for his own safety, but wanted help to deal with the situation. The police would be needed to commit Sheila and his son for support.

He had his wife to help him, there is no way he'd call Jeremy to help him. Jeremy and Sheila didn't get on.

[steve_trousers]

The fact jurors didn't question JM's testimony doesn't mean they swallowed it whole or at all.  2/12 didn't swallow it for sure.

Indeed 2 jurors burst into tears when their crush was found guilty. It's why the guilty prefer trial by jury to trial by judges. See the John Bindon trial too.

In the case you mention of Kenneth Noye jurors were taken to soc and found Noye not guilty.

precisely my point, the remote location made a deep impression on the jury. You need to consider this carefully.

WHF to this day remains the only criminal case involving a mass shooting unwitnessed by others so the lawyers were inexperienced and completely out of their depths.

It is a fanciful suggestion, that a respected advocate at the top of his game like Rivlin was out of his depths. Indeed he almost got Bamber off the hook! I very much doubt that anybody else could have done a better job. Not even Holly Goodhead.

[APRIL]

If the calls were as described then it seems that Sheila had a gun, but hadn't used it. We don't know what Nevill thought was going to happen next because we don't know what had occured before the calls were made. Judging by what was reported he wasn't concerned for his own safety, but wanted help to deal with the situation. The police would be needed to commit Sheila and his son for support.

The police aren't the first port of call when someone requires to be committed. Nevill, having been in that situation before, would have been fully aware. After making the 999 call, the service required would be ambulance. Their call centre would alert the police for 'just in case' backup. A 90 year old of my acquaintance, suffering with dementia, was attended by a doctor, an ambulance with 4 attendants and 2 policemen!!!

[Caroline]

The police aren't the first port of call when someone requires to be committed. Nevill, having been in that situation before, would have been fully aware. After making the 999 call, the service required would be ambulance. Their call centre would alert the police for 'just in case' backup. A 90 year old of my acquaintance, suffering with dementia, was attended by a doctor, an ambulance with 4 attendants and 2 policemen!!!

The log states that the call was from an 'exchange line' - this would mean that both Jeremy and Nevill decided to not to bother calling 999 and instead, opted for the non-emergency route. But even without all of that, the man who wrote the log testified that it was the result of a call from West, to pass on the details on Jeremy's call. There is no point in people reading the statements if they are going to pick and choose which one to believe - I don't get it??

[APRIL]

The log states that the call was from an 'exchange line' - this would mean that both Jeremy and Nevill decided to not to bother calling 999 and instead, opted for the non-emergency route. But even without all of that, the man who wrote the log testified that it was the result of a call from West, to pass on the details on Jeremy's call. There is no point in people reading the statements if they are going to pick and choose which one to believe - I don't get it??

Like lines? -all options left open till one fits?

[G-Unit]

He had his wife to help him, there is no way he'd call Jeremy to help him. Jeremy and Sheila didn't get on.

Did Nevill and Jeremy get on?

[G-Unit]

The police aren't the first port of call when someone requires to be committed. Nevill, having been in that situation before, would have been fully aware. After making the 999 call, the service required would be ambulance. Their call centre would alert the police for 'just in case' backup. A 90 year old of my acquaintance, suffering with dementia, was attended by a doctor, an ambulance with 4 attendants and 2 policemen!!!

The police are the first port of call when someone is waving a gun about. After disarming them committment would most likely follow.

[APRIL]

Did Nevill and Jeremy get on?

Word has it that they didn't

[barrier]

Word has it that they didn't

Brett Collins let something slip,or maybe not.Caveat its a Red top report.


“We spent the day together but Jeremy told me he’d never really liked his father that much and he didn’t like his mother at all.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

[APRIL]

Brett Collins let something slip,or maybe not.Caveat its a Red top report.


“We spent the day together but Jeremy told me he’d never really liked his father that much and he didn’t like his mother at all.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

I got it from closer to home than Red Tops quoting Brett Collins

[Caroline]

Did Nevill and Jeremy get on?

Not according to the family.

[G-Unit]

Not according to the family.

Nevertheless Jeremy worked for his father and spent time in the family home. They weren't estranged.

[APRIL]

Nevertheless Jeremy worked for his father and spent time in the family home. They weren't estranged.

Getting ANY inheritance depended on him doing a satisfactory job -according to the trust- of farming. His house went with the job.

[steve_trousers]

The suggestion that in a time of crisis, Nevill would cry for assistance from his lazy, pot smoking, playboy for a son is laughable. Robert Boutflour suspected Jeremy robbed the caravan park are we expected to swallow that he wouldn't have informed Nevill of his suspicions, that they wouldn't at least have discussed it.
It's utter nonsense that Nevill would leave Sheila running amok in the house to get on the phone to his idiot son, instead of calling the police or even Len Foakes. In fact anyone but Jeremy.

Furthermore we know he told Barbara Wilson that he believed Jeremy was capable of anything, "I must never turn my back on that young man"