The phone call

[APRIL]

The suggestion that in a time of crisis, Nevill would cry for assistance from his lazy, pot smoking, playboy for a son is laughable. Robert Boutflour suspected Jeremy robbed the caravan park are we expected to swallow that he wouldn't have informed Nevill of his suspicions, that they wouldn't at least have discussed it.
It's utter nonsense that Nevill would leave Sheila running amok in the house to get on the phone to his idiot son, instead of calling the police or even Len Foakes. In fact anyone but Jeremy.

Furthermore we know he told Barbara Wilson that he believed Jeremy was capable of anything, "I must never turn my back on that young man"

Ha! That iconic statements crops up everywhere. My late neighbour, Nevill's best friend, claims Nevill said those words following a contretemps with Nevill which reduced him to tears. I will add that this lovely old man, in his early 90's cried at the memory of it.

[steve_trousers]

That's interesting. And did your late neighbour believe that Nevill might turn to Jeremy for help in the middle of the night? What was his opinion of the whole affair?

[APRIL]

That's interesting. And did your late neighbour believe that Nevill might turn to Jeremy for help in the middle of the night? What was his opinion of the whole affair?

He died last year, age 93. He always believed that Jeremy was guilty. He never had a very high opinion of him. Less high having witnessed his behaviour towards Nevill on that particular occasion. In fairness to Jeremy, though, which of us would be comfortable in being forced to do something we didn't want to do? Jeremy wasn't cut out to be a farmer, but it was what he'd have had to do until such time as his father died, in order to inherit. Sheila, by contrast, did nothing but eat into what he probably felt entitled to have, and had earned.

[Caroline]

He died last year, age 93. He always believed that Jeremy was guilty. He never had a very high opinion of him. Less high having witnessed his behaviour towards Nevill on that particular occasion. In fairness to Jeremy, though, which of us would be comfortable in being forced to do something we didn't want to do? Jeremy wasn't cut out to be a farmer, but it was what he'd have had to do until such time as his father died, in order to inherit. Sheila, by contrast, did nothing but eat into what he probably felt entitled to have, and had earned.

Jeremy wasn't forced into farming, he could have made a success at something else but chose to stay with the money.

[APRIL]

Jeremy wasn't forced into farming, he could have made a success at something else but chose to stay with the money.

He could have.............but it would have meant knuckling down to some sort of training. He had no qualifications other than charisma!!!! He went with the money. It was easier!!!

[Inspector Gadget]

I agree she didn't do it but it's not one of the most complicated guns to operate. However, to be able to use it, someone would have had to show you.

This disagrees, especially around the reloading.

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/


One of the better blogs I’ve read from somebody well versed with guns. He describes its complexities and how it’s unrealistic for Sheila to have operated that gun to such an efficient level of accuracy on that night.

[APRIL]

This disagrees, especially around the reloading.

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/


One of the better blogs I’ve read from somebody well versed with guns. He describes its complexities and how it’s unrealistic for Sheila to have operated that gun to such an efficient level of accuracy on that night.

It was fascinating to read. I've always been led to believe that anyone can pick up a gun and fire it. What I read rather comforts me. I'd always been sure I couldn't.................unless it had been prepped in advance.

[Caroline]

This disagrees, especially around the reloading.

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/


One of the better blogs I’ve read from somebody well versed with guns. He describes its complexities and how it’s unrealistic for Sheila to have operated that gun to such an efficient level of accuracy on that night.

I agree that she would have to be shown how to use it and there is no evidence to support she was ever shown, ever used it or had any inclination to do so. However, the following video shows it's not difficult IF you know the steps. Previous to being interested in this case, I'd have had no clue how to load an fire the rifle but don't think I'd have an issue now.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXurfFTI8Qc

[Inspector Gadget]

I agree that she would have to be shown how to use it and there is no evidence to support she was ever shown, ever used it or had any inclination to do so. However, the following video shows it's not difficult IF you know the steps. Previous to being interested in this case, I'd have had no clue how to load an fire the rifle but don't think I'd have an issue now.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXurfFTI8Qc

That video is brilliant, thank you! Tbh that confirms to me 1million percent that it wouldn’t have been Sheila. Few things to notice that stand out from that clip :

1) the noise without a moderator! Previously pro Bamber said it wasn’t that noisy without a moderator and nobody would have woken up....but at 3am in a house there’s no way people aren’t waking up and running around when the first shot was fired..... unless a moderator is on.
2) the loading is probably the complex part he is talking about. There is no way Sheila is reloading that twice in a psychotic stage, infact in any state such was her inexperience. That’s far more likely to have been pre loaded, fully loaded, magazines carried by Jeremy via a belt.
3) the accuracy. That looks like you need a degree of skill to aim that let alone connect with 25 consecutive shots.

Actually makes me anxious watching that as you can only imagine the terror they must have felt. The boys would have been murdered by Jeremy first with one shot each before he went to main bedroom to do June and NB. If he hadn’t have done the children first then there’s absolutely no way they would have slept so peacefully through it such was their body positions when murdered.

Jeremy is an evil child killer  !

[barrier]

I agree that she would have to be shown how to use it and there is no evidence to support she was ever shown, ever used it or had any inclination to do so. However, the following video shows it's not difficult IF you know the steps. Previous to being interested in this case, I'd have had no clue how to load an fire the rifle but don't think I'd have an issue now.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXurfFTI8Qc

Listen and you can understand why a suppressor was used in the farmhouse.

[steve_trousers]

Thank you for your help April.

Whatever the case, I'm sure we are all agreed, there are better ways of expressing dissatisfaction with farming life than sneaking into your parents house in the dead of night and murdering your entire family.

[barrier]

Thank you for your help April.

Whatever the case, I'm sure we are all agreed, there are better ways of expressing dissatisfaction with farming life than sneaking into your parents house in the dead of night and murdering your entire family.

He's a child killer first and foremost.

[steve_trousers]

He's a child killer first and foremost.

Aye, and the lads on his wing will see it that way too. The very bottom rung of the ladder, murdering children for greed.

[Caroline]

That video is brilliant, thank you! Tbh that confirms to me 1million percent that it wouldn’t have been Sheila. Few things to notice that stand out from that clip :

1) the noise without a moderator! Previously pro Bamber said it wasn’t that noisy without a moderator and nobody would have woken up....but at 3am in a house there’s no way people aren’t waking up and running around when the first shot was fired..... unless a moderator is on.
2) the loading is probably the complex part he is talking about. There is no way Sheila is reloading that twice in a psychotic stage, infact in any state such was her inexperience. That’s far more likely to have been pre loaded, fully loaded, magazines carried by Jeremy via a belt.
3) the accuracy. That looks like you need a degree of skill to aim that let alone connect with 25 consecutive shots.

Actually makes me anxious watching that as you can only imagine the terror they must have felt. The boys would have been murdered by Jeremy first with one shot each before he went to main bedroom to do June and NB. If he hadn’t have done the children first then there’s absolutely no way they would have slept so peacefully through it such was their body positions when murdered.

Jeremy is an evil child killer  !

Nothing I don't agree with there. 

Something else about the story Bamber told of leaving the shells on the counter after bringing in a box from the office. There are 150 shells per box, 25 shots fired, which should have left 125 on the counter. However, there were 130 shells - 5 too many. This shows that the magazine must have already had 5 shells loaded and his story about being in a rush to shoot rabbits is bollocks. If that were the case, he wouldn't have needed to load any shells while given he was claiming to be in a hurry - the 5 shots should have been enough.

[Caroline]

Aye, and the lads on his wing will see it that way too. The very bottom rung of the ladder, murdering children for greed.

Which is why he will never confess.