The phone call

[G-Unit]

June was a victim of an horrendous murder and suffered mental health issues herself. Clearly she should never have said that nor should that have happened to you. But you managed to get though life having had such an experience without murdering anyone so why should you be so surprised that Sheila didn't?

Not everyone reacts to circumstances in the same way.

I have never expressed surprise that Sheila didn't murder anyone because I don't know if she did or not.

[Holly Goodhead]

June was a victim of an horrendous murder and suffered mental health issues herself. Clearly she should never have said that nor should that have happened to you. But you managed to get though life having had such an experience without murdering anyone so why should you be so surprised that Sheila didn't?

June suffered mental health issues before SC and JB had even been conceived.  According to Dr Ferguson, and June's close friends, June's inability to conceive was at the heart of her mental health issues.  Having adopted SC June shortly suffered another breakdown which we are told by Dr Ferguson was all bound up with her decision to adopt.

The Bamber's should never have been approved to adopt in the first instance.  The fact SC was allowed to remain with them and they went on to adopt JB beggars belief.

There's much evidence this case is about an adoption that went horribly wrong between June and SC as opposed to an 'inheritance killer'.

[Holly Goodhead]

June suffered mental health issues before SC and JB had even been conceived.  According to Dr Ferguson, and June's close friends, June's inability to conceive was at the heart of her mental health issues.  Having adopted SC June shortly suffered another breakdown which we are told by Dr Ferguson was all bound up with her decision to adopt.

The Bamber's should never have been approved to adopt in the first instance.  The fact SC was allowed to remain with them and they went on to adopt JB beggars belief.

There's much evidence this case is about an adoption that went horribly wrong between June and SC as opposed to an 'inheritance killer'.

No shared genes:

- Adoptive mother mental illness pre and post adoptions

- Adopted daughter mental illness

- Adopted son found guilty of murdering 5 members of adoptive family

 

[Holly Goodhead]

Ok,in what order were they fired is it known? 5 for one of the poor lads 3 for the other 2 for Sheila it was 7 shots for June 8 for Nevill,at some stage a reload had to occur,what shot out of the 7 to June and the 8 for Nevill killed?


If the twins were shot first,that was 8 possibly one each into June and Nevill,then a reload,if neither June or Nevill suffered fatally with the first shot each one especially Nevill would put up a fight,Shelia's body never displayed any evidence of this did it?

To date a shooting reconstruction hasn't taken place but its all to play for as the relevant data has been captured.

I believe NB and SC were downstairs.  NB made the call to JB whilst he was doing so SC went upstairs and opened fire on June inflicting 5/6 gunshot wounds.  Hearing the shots NB dropped the handset on the kitchen worktop where it was found.  NB run up the stairs and when on the landing stairs SC pivoted 90 degrees to face NB and shot him twice in the face.  NB turned to retreat downstairs and when he was on the main staircase SC followed and shot him twice in the rear: shoulder and elbow/chest.   NB went to the kitchen with SC following where she beat him with the rifle and inflicted the four immediately fatal head shots. 

Exactly what happened thereafter in terms of whether the twins were shot before or after June sustained the two immediately fatal head shots I don't think will ever be known.
 
The pathologist said in his opinion the shots Nicholas sustained appeared to have been inflicted concurrently and given the twins appear to have slept through I think the shots to both were fired concurrently with SC taking her life shortly afterwards.

[Holly Goodhead]

No one would commit any crime without first being supremely confident of getting away with it. The doubts we speak of are ours, not theirs.

The Sheila you're presenting, to have worked out how she'd control her victims, is way more calculated than the emotionally crippled woman I see her as being.

JB or SC are very different propositions.

If JB the motive was arguably to fast fwd his inheritance.

If SC her mind was in such an altered state she felt the only way was to murder her family and take her own life.  There was no planning as such but with two adults in two completely different parts of the farmhouse, two small sleeping children in a separate room and in possession of a loaded firearm with no regard for her own life it was only going one way.  Its why Islamic terrorists are so dangerous in that they're happy to lose their life in carrying out acts of terror to pursue their warped ideology.

[Holly Goodhead]

Hunt out ammo, he had tipped it on the counter top in full view of SC (allegedly). She didn't have to hunt for anything - it was all conveniently laid out for his story. This along with him telling the cops that she knew how to use all of the guns - in his mind - gets him off the hook.

Assuming JB's claims of leaving the rifle out were correct there's no guarantee NB wouldn't have emptied the magazine and then placed the rifle and mag back in the downstairs office where they were normally kept.  In fact there's some evidence this happened as some of the spent casings had marks on them consistent with having been loaded on a previous occasions.  I recall Scipio said this was good practice as keeping the mag loaded weakened the mechanism. And the maths behind a full box of cartridges, those on worktop and the 25/26 used doesn't add up.  There's knowing how to use something and there's being proficient at using something. 

[Caroline]

Not everyone reacts to circumstances in the same way.

I have never expressed surprise that Sheila didn't murder anyone because I don't know if she did or not.

Your posts are coming over as supporting Jeremy Bamber so it seems that you do have a leaning.

[Caroline]

June suffered mental health issues before SC and JB had even been conceived.  According to Dr Ferguson, and June's close friends, June's inability to conceive was at the heart of her mental health issues.  Having adopted SC June shortly suffered another breakdown which we are told by Dr Ferguson was all bound up with her decision to adopt.

The Bamber's should never have been approved to adopt in the first instance.  The fact SC was allowed to remain with them and they went on to adopt JB beggars belief.

There's much evidence this case is about an adoption that went horribly wrong between June and SC as opposed to an 'inheritance killer'.

Well aware of all of that and if the adoption has a bearing on the case it has a bearing for both. Sheila's problems were laid bare - Jeremy was the one in denial - a pressure cooker.

[Holly Goodhead]

Of course they could have missed - the shot to Nevill on the stairs couldn't have been 2 feels away. I thought you weren't impressed by the ballistics evidence? You do use it though when backing up points like this.

The facial shots on the landing stairs were inflicted when the muzzle was within inches of NB.

The shots to NB's rear whilst stood on main stairs were within two feet.

You don't need a ballistics expert to point out the obvious ie all shots were close range; the confines of the farmhouse by way of walls, fixtures, fittings, furniture and the length of the rifle limit the range to within a few feet max.   

[Holly Goodhead]

Well aware of all of that and if the adoption has a bearing on the case it has a bearing for both. Sheila's problems were laid bare - Jeremy was the one in denial - a pressure cooker.

It's not just the effect of adoption but the effect of June's mental illness on SC at a crucial stage of her development with the potential for a 'disorganised attachment'.

[Holly Goodhead]

It had always been thus. She'd have known that whatever hole she was in, they were there to dig her out. Actually, less was required of her, than Jeremy. If any of her numerous failed careers/marriage had succeeded, that support may not have been necessary, unlike Jeremy, who had to work -at something he wasn't enamoured with- to earn what Sheila got for free.

So how do you explain SC being so despate for cash she resorted to pornographic modelling?

[Holly Goodhead]

How many people on the dole right now would feel far more comfortable if they had a benefactor? It's all she had really known. Also, The Bmabers gave Jeremy free accommodation, a free car and fuel - he didn't want to work at the farm but it was the price he paid for the benefits - with itchy feet and what he thought wasn't enough money - who was more resentful. You can't apply one rule for Sheila and not to Jeremy.

JB didn't receive free housing, car and fuel; it was part of his package of benefits for working at the farm akin to what a farm manager would expect to receive and at the time would have received favourable tax benefits.
 

[Holly Goodhead]

She also had a family that paid her rent, gave her money as and when she needed it. She didn't really have to work and could see her kids whenever she wanted. Her mental issues were being medicated - which is why all descriptions are of someone uncoordinated. These descriptions come from independent sources - NOT just the family. Jeremy didn't have a 'meltdown' - he had a plan and a liking for the highlife.

June bought SC's flat with a mortgage of 10k.  If the Bamber's gave SC money as and when required then why did she turn to the porn modelling?

Why did she undertake low paid work eg cleaning and dressing up as a schoolgirl to wait on men? 

[Holly Goodhead]

And if she was uncoordinated who manicured and polished her nails when there's no evidence anyone carried out these tasks other than herself?

[Caroline]

June bought SC's flat with a mortgage of 10k.  If the Bamber's gave SC money as and when required then why did she turn to the porn modelling?

Why did she undertake low paid work eg cleaning and dressing up as a schoolgirl to wait on men? 

So they bought her a flat? The devils!

Wanting to make extra money for herself isn't anything strange and she used what she had - lots of women do that, are they all suffering from 'emotional abuse'?