The phone call

[Caroline]

Adoption societies used to rely on people's public personnas to make judgements about their suitability to parent children. The truth of the matter is that a person's public personna is only one part of their character.

Which is an entirely different issue.

[G-Unit]

Which is an entirely different issue.

No it isn't. Relying on a person's public persona to predict what they might do or how they might behave isn't a reliable method whatever the issue is.

[Caroline]

No it isn't. Relying on a person's public persona to predict what they might do or how they might behave isn't a reliable method whatever the issue is.

It is because common sense predicts that a man well versed with firearms, isn't going to leave his already 'going crazy', paranoid schizophrenic daughter to run rampage with a loaded rifle while he pops off to phone Jeremy.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No it isn't. Relying on a person's public persona to predict what they might do or how they might behave isn't a reliable method whatever the issue is.

His public persona is not being discussed, his life experience and physicality are.

[APRIL]

Adoption societies used to rely on people's public personnas to make judgements about their suitability to parent children. The truth of the matter is that a person's public personna is only one part of their character.

What has that got to do with it? How can you compare the limited amount of time the adoption societies spend with prospective parents with the length of time they're known widely by those who've known them on a daily basis. The National Adoption Society was concerned only with my parents' income and that I'd have my own room.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What has that got to do with it? How can you compare the limited amount of time the adoption societies spend with prospective parents with the length of time they're known widely by those who've known them on a daily basis. The National Adoption Society was concerned only with my parents' income and that I'd have my own room.

Because it allows you to disregard facts which don’t fit with your theory. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Both statements mention wellingtons, so whever the wellingtons were that's where the rifle was. It was the magazine which was left on the settle. It seems that certain areas of the house had interchangeable names; hallway/scullery and den/office. In some areas of the UK scullery was used interchangeably with kitchen. I remember that.

Jeremy said in his first statement that he left the RIFLE in the HALLWAY

Jeremy said in his second statement that he left the RIFLE in the KITCHEN


KITCHEN
HALLWAY

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Dr Vanezis would not have committed himself to anything he didn't feel competent in.

With regard to your assertion above, you're wrong.  DI Cooke telephoned FSS and was told a ballistics expert couldn't be spared.

How am I wrong?

I said that Dr Vanezis asked the police to fetch a ballistics expert and they were either “unwilling or unable”

In the event they were unable to as one wasn’t available

So how am I wrong about that?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Exactly.  If Sheila did the killings why was the silencer hidden away in a cupboard?

Hidden in a carrier bag, too!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Hidden in a carrier bag, too!

Presumably the response (I will have to presume as most of my questions seem to be being ignored by Bamber supporters) would be that no silencer was used and that for some reason known only to Nevill he decided to hide the silencer in a bag in the cupboard himself before the shootings.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Before any shots were fired.

There's no question all the physical evidence at soc supports NB in the kitchen on the tel to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June in bed.  NB hearing the shots drops the phone and goes upstairs where he sustains the facial shots on the landing stairs and the shots to his rear on the main stairs after he turned to retreat back downstairs.

It will never be known what preceded this.

What physical evidence supports that?

None whatsoever!

You’re just refusing to accept the facts because you can’t bear to face them for some reason.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

To be even more precise as per the toxicology reports:

Liver = 0.55 micrograms per gram
Blood = 15 nanograms per millilitre

The above levels put the dosage just above low into medium.

And?

So she had a medium dosage of Haloperidol in her system — still ample to cause her severe lethargy, shakiness, tiredness and weakness.

Sheila was 27 and had only been prescribed that medication for a relatively short time; for 25 years or more she lived without that drug and never once even attempted violence on one single person.

Never once did she attack anyone.

Never once did she try to commit suicide.

Your suggestions that Sheila was violent without medication is completely false, and quite frankly, disgraceful to her memory.

Remember, Jeremy Bamber murdered Sheila

He murdered her two six-year-old sons

He murdered his parents

You need to remember that

[ISpyWithMyEye]

JB would not have heard the sound of gunshot fired in the bedroom down the phone line situated in the kitchen.

The physical evidence at soc all supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs.  None of the evidence supports him shot in the bedroom.  This in itself supports the defence case of NB calling JB from the kitchen, hearing gunshot, dropping the phone and going upstairs where he was shot standing on the landing stairs with SC shooting out of the bedroom onto the landing.

To date a shooting reconstruction hasn't taken place but all the data relating to the physical evidence is available for this to happen.

Anyone can argue the points with me just so long as they realise no expert evidence exists so its one lay view against another.

What utter nonsense, Holly

I can’t be bothered to shred your ridiculous theory to bits, but I’ll give you just one point to consider which proves it’s rubbish: Jeremy claimed the line went dead, like someone had cut it off. So Nevill couldn’t have dropped the phone at all..

You’re really clutching at straws now and you’re making yourself look desperate

[G-Unit]

It is because common sense predicts that a man well versed with firearms, isn't going to leave his already 'going crazy', paranoid schizophrenic daughter to run rampage with a loaded rifle while he pops off to phone Jeremy.

If his daughter had locked herself in a room with a gun, is threatening suicide and he can't get her to come out he might.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The casings support NB shot on the landing and main stairs.

A shooting reconstruction should have taken place in preparation for trial as it would have done had the case been tried in US where gun crime is a regular occurrence.

Had a shooting reconstruction taken place back in the 1985, Holly, all it would have proved is that t would have been absolutely impossible for Sheila to have shot herself