The phone call

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy said in his first statement that he left the RIFLE in the HALLWAY

Jeremy said in his second statement that he left the RIFLE in the KITCHEN


KITCHEN
HALLWAY

He was consistent with the fact he left the rifle near the wellingtons.

Unlikely June (and NB) would allow wellingtons in the kitchen when a rear hall and scullery existed.

[Caroline]

The pathologist makes quite clear SC could have inflicted both wounds.

He was concerned that she had been shot twice. You make it sound like V was adamant that she killed herself and that is not the case. He has issues about the CS.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He was consistent with the fact he left the rifle near the wellingtons.

Unlikely June (and NB) would allow wellingtons in the kitchen when a rear hall and scullery existed.

Erm, in both of hs statements he said he left the rifle by the:

WELLINGTONS in the KITCHEN

WELLINGTONS in the HALLWAY



HE was clearly lying...

He can’t have left the rifle in BOTH the hallways AND the kitchen


You assume Bambers’ wouldn’t have allowed wellingtons in the kitchen, but I believe you yourself said they weren’t particularly house-proud — others have certainly said that

Remember, they were a farming family surrounded by animals, and also had their own pets, one of whom slept slept in the kitchen, so I doubt wellingtons were banned from the kitchen...

Whatever, Jeremy has proven in B&W that he’s a liar.

[Holly Goodhead]

Erm, in both of hs statements he said he left the rifle by the:

WELLINGTONS in the KITCHEN

WELLINGTONS in the HALLWAY



HE was clearly lying...

He can’t have left the rifle in BOTH the hallways AND the kitchen


You assume Bambers’ wouldn’t have allowed wellingtons in the kitchen, but I believe you yourself said they weren’t particularly house-proud — others have certainly said that

Remember, they were a farming family surrounded by animals, and also had their own pets, one of whom slept slept in the kitchen, so I doubt wellingtons were banned from the kitchen...

Whatever, Jeremy has proven in B&W that he’s a liar.

The full context of his statements make clear he is referring to the area in the rear hall by the settle.

[Holly Goodhead]

He was concerned that she had been shot twice. You make it sound like V was adamant that she killed herself and that is not the case. He has issues about the CS.

He was adamant he found nothing to contradict murder/suicide.

He had experience of 4 or 5 suicide cases involving death by multiple gunshot wounds. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=738

[Caroline]

He was adamant he found nothing to contradict murder/suicide.

He had experience of 4 or 5 suicide cases involving death by multiple gunshot wounds. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=738

You know fine well that he said he would have had concerns had he visited the scene.

[Holly Goodhead]

You know fine well that he said he would have had concerns had he visited the scene.

Yes, post trial.  I think he was hedging his bets:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=744

B and C were down to those at soc moving and A and D were the responsibility of ballastics and biologist.

[Caroline]

Yes, post trial.  I think he was hedging his bets:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=744

B and C were down to those at soc moving and A and D were the responsibility of ballastics and biologist.

It doesn't matter when it was, post trial was when he had the full picture - he had concerns!

It's your opinion that SOC moved things and even the evidence that you have used to support this notion actually proved the opposite - specifically Woodcock.

[Holly Goodhead]

It doesn't matter when it was, post trial was when he had the full picture - he had concerns!

It's your opinion that SOC moved things and even the evidence that you have used to support this notion actually proved the opposite - specifically Woodcock.

If there was anything glaringly obvious he would have said as much to the four officers present during autopsy and/or to the officers present when he visited WHF having undertaken the four autopsies when they sat around a table and had a "candid" discussion.  But he didn't because there was nothing to contradict murder/suicide.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=740

It is obvious SC was moved at soc based on A/PS Woodcock's testimony along with forensic scientist Martyn Ismail's.

It's all to play for because to date the defence has not argued SC was moved by those present at soc and/or that NB sustained his facial shots on the landing stairs.

[Caroline]

If there was anything glaringly obvious he would have said as much to the four officers present during autopsy and/or to the officers present when he visited WHF having undertaken the four autopsies when they sat around a table and had a "candid" discussion.  But he didn't because there was nothing to contradict murder/suicide.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=740

It is obvious SC was moved at soc based on A/PS Woodcock's testimony along with forensic scientist Martyn Ismail's.

It's all to play for because to date the defence has not argued SC was moved by those present at soc and/or that NB sustained his facial shots on the landing stairs.

His concerns were born from seeing the SC pictures of Sheila at the scene - at the points you're talking about, he hadn't. He had concerns which came from further information. How many victims of Shipman raised no initial concerns?

You think it's all to play for but the CS photograph of Sheila proves she wasn't moved and Woodcock's statement backs up the CS photograph. Further, do you really think that the CCRC would give permission for a recon on the basis that NB 'could' (not did) have called Bamber?

[Holly Goodhead]

Two casings out of DRH 3, 4, 13 and 14 resulted from the last two shots to June's head, which means that Holly's idea of Nevill being shot four times whilst on the landing(s) and stairs is unsustainable, simply because the rifle was pointing downwards and the casings ejected to its right, directly onto and cushioned by the carpet near the doorway.

https://www.dropbox.com/h?preview=Anschutz-Casing-Ejection-Large.gif

Where's the expert evidence that two out of DRH 3, 4, 13 and 14 resulted from the last two shots to June's head?

The casing ejection pattern supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs with perp initially firing out of bedroom and onto landing and then behind NB on the stairs.

[Caroline]

Where's the expert evidence that two out of DRH 3, 4, 13 and 14 resulted from the last two shots to June's head?

The casing ejection pattern supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs with perp initially firing out of bedroom and onto landing and then behind NB on the stairs.

By the same token Holly, (and although I agree), which expert said NB was shot on the stairs/landing?

[Myster]

Where's the expert evidence that two out of DRH 3, 4, 13 and 14 resulted from the last two shots to June's head?

The casing ejection pattern supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs with perp initially firing out of bedroom and onto landing and then behind NB on the stairs.

Where did the two casings attributed to the last shots to June come to rest?  They can't have passed through a solid bedroom door to land on the floor at June's bedside!  You seem to avoid answering that question, perhaps because it doesn't fit in with your highly implausible idea that Nevill was dawding on the phone whilst allowing his daughter to cause mayhem upstairs.  If anyone in authority responsible for reconsidering Bamber's guilt reads your suggestions, they'll laugh them out the door, just as they will with his campaign team's kitchen window-latch photo trickery and Sheila's alleged 'suicide' note.

[Myster]

By the same token Holly, (and although I agree), which expert said NB was shot on the stairs/landing?

Where do you think the casings attributed to the two head shots to June come to rest, Caroline?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So he gets up, sees Sheila with a gun, goes downstairs, phones Bamber, hears shots, goes back upstairs, gets shot twice in the rear, then goes back down stairs (blood trail?), followed by Sheila, who shoots him 4 times when he is in the kitchen.  When does she reload the gun and what is Nevill doing at this point?

Bump.