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Offline Inspector Gadget

Question to members
« on: February 16, 2020, 07:08:46 PM »
Question to members :
Is there anyone on here who previously thought Jeremy was innocent but how now changed their mind? If so, WHY? What was it specifically that made you change your view? Was there one particular thing or piece of evidence or was it a gradual thing?

Would be very interested to hear any views.

Offline Geordie

Re: Question to members
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2020, 10:41:52 AM »
I only started recently reading the forum as a result of watching the recent drama White House Farm. I was shocked by the case all those years ago and had not kept up with the news about the appeals over the years and knew nothing of the details of the crime.

At first I assumed he was guilty because that was the verdict but had no opinion of my own based on the evidence which I knew nothing off.

However, I am now convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that he is guilty. I suppose I have studied a lot of the evidence in one go over recent weeks but it is several factors that convinced me.

01) The difficulty of Sheila carrying out the act and needing to reload the rifle at least twice.

02) The lack of congruence between someone having a psychotic episode and the efficient methodical sequence of events.

03) The lack of forensic evidence on Sheila.

04) The fact her body was moved after her death into a more horizontal position on her back.

05) The struggle in the kitchen that I am sure Sheila would not have found so easy.

06) The impossibility of Nevill making the call to Jeremy if he had been shot in the mouth.

07) The lack of credulity of Sheila committing suicide in the main bedroom.

08) Jeremy's behaviour after the murders.

I go on but it was many factors and taking the weight of the body of evidence I now find it difficult to understand how anyone could conclude Jeremy was innocent.

« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 10:54:03 AM by Geordie »

Offline barrier

Re: Question to members
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2020, 11:09:42 AM »
I've never had much interest in the case until now,there are far more knowledgeable people on here than I can ever be concerning the case.I trust the judicial system and they have got the right perpetrator,oh I know there have been miscarriages of justice but for me at least I can't see what evidence the JB supporters can show that he didn't do it.The police initially especially Taff Jones and his superiors it seems thought murder/suicide,but thanks to the other Jones, he wasn't having it and to think that there is some how some piece of evidence kept back when his superiors thought he was on the wrong track and then have it locked away is fanciful imo.Geordie pretty much covers it for me as well.
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Offline steve_trousers

Re: Question to members
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2020, 11:28:37 AM »
I too once believed Sheila was the culprit, for many years until I became familiarised with the facts. Without doubt it was the telephone call, that I kept coming back to. Again and again and again, looking at all the details surrounding the house of cards that is the alleged telephone call. It's clearly an invention to enable him to be first on the scene and get the police to accept his narrative of the deranged sister.

Here in the real world, Nevill would clearly simply disarm Sheila had she got hold of a gun. At a stretch you can see him dialling 999, not Jeremy and certainly not leafing through the yellow pages looking for the police telephone number

Why was the bedroom telephone moved prior to the murders? it was found hidden under some newspapers in the kitchen. Because Jeremy couldn't risk Nevill dialling 999 from his bed once his sick operation was under way.

The absurdity of penthouse model Sheila duffing up a strong farmer in a life or death struggle, battering him to death without so much as breaking a fingernail.

The scene of chaos in the kitchen, with raw sugar spilled and crockery all over the floor. Yet the soles of Sheila's feet were clean as if she had just got out of bed (Jeremy's fans explain this with bubble bath before suicide)

The fiction of Sheila loosing off shots with a semi automatic rifle in the first place, reloading and the absence of forensic evidence on her, coupled with Jeremy's lame excuse about shooting bunny's and leaving the gun out the night before.

Boy racer Jeremy being overtaken by the police on his way to WHF where according to the phone call Sheila is running amok with a gun. Here in the real world Jeremy would be rushing to the scene.

The discrepancies in time between when Jeremy called Julie telling her all is going well so far, and when Jeremy claims the call was made. The time given by Julie's housemate casts further doubt

Offline Geordie

Re: Question to members
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2020, 12:32:38 PM »
If I had to decide on the main factor it would be the lack of credulity of someone diagnosed as schizophrenic who was having a psychotic episode remaining controlled enough to reload the magazine twice while in such an extreme situation without even dropping a single bullet on the floor and not a single shot missed. I have family in the Army who have been trained and experienced combat who would find that difficult to achieve efficiently under stress.

Offline Inspector Gadget

Re: Question to members
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2020, 12:51:12 PM »
I only started recently reading the forum as a result of watching the recent drama White House Farm. I was shocked by the case all those years ago and had not kept up with the news about the appeals over the years and knew nothing of the details of the crime.

At first I assumed he was guilty because that was the verdict but had no opinion of my own based on the evidence which I knew nothing off.

However, I am now convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that he is guilty. I suppose I have studied a lot of the evidence in one go over recent weeks but it is several factors that convinced me.

01) The difficulty of Sheila carrying out the act and needing to reload the rifle at least twice.

02) The lack of congruence between someone having a psychotic episode and the efficient methodical sequence of events.

03) The lack of forensic evidence on Sheila.

04) The fact her body was moved after her death into a more horizontal position on her back.

05) The struggle in the kitchen that I am sure Sheila would not have found so easy.

06) The impossibility of Nevill making the call to Jeremy if he had been shot in the mouth.

07) The lack of credulity of Sheila committing suicide in the main bedroom.

08) Jeremy's behaviour after the murders.

I go on but it was many factors and taking the weight of the body of evidence I now find it difficult to understand how anyone could conclude Jeremy was innocent.

Very well put Geordie and agree with all of that 👍🏻👏🏻

Offline Eleanor

Re: Question to members
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2020, 12:55:38 PM »

I still think that there is a reasonable doubt.

Offline Inspector Gadget

Re: Question to members
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2020, 01:05:16 PM »
Agree with those points too Steve.

For me I was genuinely open minded when I come into this case. I had read about his appeal and that he was innocent from his loud supporters so started studying some years back.

Looking at his police interviews was all I needed tbh. He is lying through his teeth and they aren’t even good lies. The call to Julie and local police instead of 999 is bordering on laughable. The evasive nature of answers after your family has been slaughtered was disturbing , the accuracy and stealth of the attack with a complex rifle also meant it was a skilled marksman who must have done this and the fact he was the sole inheritance to the entire estate and fortune gave him a clear motive. Although JM must have been more complicit than what she let on, she knew too many facts in her statement around the murder which even the police didn’t know which made her statement true.

Once that was established I started looking at facts around how it could have been him but it always points to why it wasn’t Sheila which, by default of his fake phone call, makes him guilty.

The lack of forensics on Sheila, the immaculate nails, feet and length of silencer made it clear to me it wasn’t her. And when you read that Nevill was 6ft4 and she was 5ft 7 it almost becomes a farce to even assume she massacred 5 people including her children and herself, with nothing but one fingerprint and a splash of blood.

Then as you say there was the circumstantial evidence like the moved phone, last one to hold the rifle , a mystery bike that appeared just before the murders giving him a means to and from the target quickly and quietly, and all of a sudden you have a huge stack of reasons why it was JB and why it couldn’t have been Sheila.

I respect people’s views but how on Earth people can protest a child killers innocence looking at the mountain of evidence against him makes me feel uncomfortable.

I truly do believe they have the right man and I hope one day he has the guts to come clean to give peace to everyone concerned.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 02:06:36 PM by Inspector Gadget »

Offline steve_trousers

Re: Question to members
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2020, 01:58:17 PM »
A very good post Inspector, I agree wholeheartedly.

It's too easy to dismiss Mugford's testimony as a rejected woman scorned, without the facts I can understand that angle but as you say, there are too many details in her testimony and her diary which have the ring of truth about it. I would urge any new members or guests having a hard time believing her to take a closer look at her interviews and diary. Revealing insights such as "it's good that dogs can't talk"

When the lights go out at night, lying in his bunk, How Bamber must bitterly regret his actions that night, with crocodile tears on his cheeks and all. 
And he can't confide in anyone about it, he can only humour his warped followers, whom he detests for their stupidity. What a well deserved, miserable existence.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 02:00:58 PM by steve_trousers »

Offline APRIL

Re: Question to members
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2020, 02:13:55 PM »
A very good post Inspector, I agree wholeheartedly.

It's too easy to dismiss Mugford's testimony as a rejected woman scorned, without the facts I can understand that angle but as you say, there are too many details in her testimony and her diary which have the ring of truth about it. I would urge any new members or guests having a hard time believing her to take a closer look at her interviews and diary. Revealing insights such as "it's good that dogs can't talk"

When the lights go out at night, lying in his bunk, How Bamber must bitterly regret his actions that night, with crocodile tears on his cheeks and all. 
And he can't confide in anyone about it, he can only humour his warped followers, whom he detests for their stupidity. What a well deserved, miserable existence.


Mmm. I'd be inclined to put it more like "It's too easy to dismiss Mugford's testimony as JUST a rejected woman scorned".................although I have no doubt that it played a big part in it. Had he put a ring on her her finger, she'd probably have kept quiet until his second affair.

I think the crocodile tears he sheds in the wee small hours are more about his bitter regrets about being caught.

Offline adam

Re: Question to members
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2020, 02:29:41 PM »
A month after the massacre Bamber would have felt safe in treating Julie badly.

He would not expect Julie to approach the police. If she did she would not be believed as the police had nothing else. He was not aware the police were gathering other evidence.

Offline adam

Re: Question to members
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2020, 02:43:11 PM »
Julie knowing about the lockable from outside window, put Bamber in a no win situation.

Saying he did not know about it is clearly a lie.

He could have said he knew about it & used to use it when having to enter/exit WHF when it was empty. Which would just incriminate him.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2020, 04:10:12 PM by adam »

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Question to members
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2020, 03:50:52 PM »
Julie knowing about the lockable from outside window, put Bamber in a no win situation.

Saying he did know about it is clearly a lie.

He could have said he knew about it & used to use it when having to enter/exit WHF when it was empty. Which would just incriminate him.


He also tripped up when the police told him they’d found a blade which proved it had been used to break in to the window which had been painted earlier that summer.

Jeremy knew he couldn’t deny it, so said he’d broken in to get his car documents to go to St Tropez — and that was AFTER he’d first been arrested.

But on the night he claimed he’d broken into WHF he was under 24/7 surveillance, and police knew for a fact he was in London when he claimed to have broken in to WHF.

Amazingly, that wasn’t brought up in court, but it’s on file, so if he ever wants to give an explanation as to why he lied Im sure the police will be happy to make note of it 😌
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Question to members
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2020, 05:02:10 PM »

He also tripped up when the police told him they’d found a blade which proved it had been used to break in to the window which had been painted earlier that summer.

Jeremy knew he couldn’t deny it, so said he’d broken in to get his car documents to go to St Tropez — and that was AFTER he’d first been arrested.

But on the night he claimed he’d broken into WHF he was under 24/7 surveillance, and police knew for a fact he was in London when he claimed to have broken in to WHF.

Amazingly, that wasn’t brought up in court, but it’s on file, so if he ever wants to give an explanation as to why he lied Im sure the police will be happy to make note of it 😌

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Question to members
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2020, 05:18:10 PM »
I only started recently reading the forum as a result of watching the recent drama White House Farm. I was shocked by the case all those years ago and had not kept up with the news about the appeals over the years and knew nothing of the details of the crime.

At first I assumed he was guilty because that was the verdict but had no opinion of my own based on the evidence which I knew nothing off.

However, I am now convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that he is guilty. I suppose I have studied a lot of the evidence in one go over recent weeks but it is several factors that convinced me.

01) The difficulty of Sheila carrying out the act and needing to reload the rifle at least twice.

02) The lack of congruence between someone having a psychotic episode and the efficient methodical sequence of events.

03) The lack of forensic evidence on Sheila.

04) The fact her body was moved after her death into a more horizontal position on her back.

05) The struggle in the kitchen that I am sure Sheila would not have found so easy.

06) The impossibility of Nevill making the call to Jeremy if he had been shot in the mouth.

07) The lack of credulity of Sheila committing suicide in the main bedroom.

08) Jeremy's behaviour after the murders.

I go on but it was many factors and taking the weight of the body of evidence I now find it difficult to understand how anyone could conclude Jeremy was innocent.



Those are my sentiments also.


However, I agree with another poster who highlighted that IF JB had NOT ditched/fell out with/upset his GF then would she ever have come forward?  Having said that I do believe her testimony. In particular about the window and the latch. How could she possibly know?

I have no problem agreeing with the jury.
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