Question to members

[Vertigo Swirl]

I've posted a range of MOJ's which show they are difficult to rectify even when an individual such as Stefan Kizsko was manifestly innocent.  Unlike other MOJ's JB has been severely handicapped by lack of family support and having to rely on the likes of Mike Tesko.

I'm not aware of any forensic evidence that was destroyed pre trial?

Post trial exhibits have been destroyed against all protocols which could potentially have assisted JB advance his case or conversely seal his fate.

Do you believe there is evidence that proves Bamber is manifestly innocent?  If so what is it?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I've posted a range of MOJ's which show they are difficult to rectify even when an individual such as Stefan Kizsko was manifestly innocent.  Unlike other MOJ's JB has been severely handicapped by lack of family support and having to rely on the likes of Mike Tesko.

I'm not aware of any forensic evidence that was destroyed pre trial?

Post trial exhibits have been destroyed against all protocols which could potentially have assisted JB advance his case or conversely seal his fate.

Had Jeremy not shod dead all his close family, he’d have them here now, Holly

And he wouldn’t be cooped up in a cell, either

It was Jeremy who ASKED police to destroy evidence — have you forgotten that, too?

And it was Jeremy who insisted they all be cremated — which was against their wishes.

Finally, JB has NOTHING to show that he was innocent. NOTHING. in fact, the deeper you delve into it the more you see how guilty he is!

[Holly Goodhead]

Had Jeremy not shod dead all his close family, he’d have them here now, Holly

And he wouldn’t be cooped up in a cell, either

It was Jeremy who ASKED police to destroy evidence — have you forgotten that, too?

And it was Jeremy who insisted they all be cremated — which was against their wishes.

Finally, JB has NOTHING to show that he was innocent. NOTHING. in fact, the deeper you delve into it the more you see how guilty he is!

What evidence was destroyed pre trial that could either have supported the defence or prosecution? 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The carpets

I guarantee there were footprints/handprints (albeit gloved), a few bloodied hairs, skin traces from scratches all matching and belonging to Jeremy somewhere on that bedroom carpet, and possibly the beds

Had Jeremy been so certain Sheila commuted the murders, he’d have asked the police to take them away and forensically examine them. Sheila’s footprints would have been ALL OVER the carpet, and certainly the kitchen

There wasn’t ONE. NOT one.

But you’ll ignore that.

[Holly Goodhead]

The carpets

I guarantee there were footprints/handprints (albeit gloved), a few bloodied hairs, skin traces from scratches all matching and belonging to Jeremy somewhere on that bedroom carpet, and possibly the beds

Had Jeremy been so certain Sheila commuted the murders, he’d have asked the police to take them away and forensically examine them. Sheila’s footprints would have been ALL OVER the carpet, and certainly the kitchen

There wasn’t ONE. NOT one.

But you’ll ignore that.

SOC officer DC Hammersly confirmed at trial that everything of evidential value was collected which is confirmed in the following where all exhibits are detailed.

Why would SC's footprints be all over?  Where were JB's footprints?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=165.0

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you believe there is evidence that proves Bamber is manifestly innocent?  If so what is it?

The criminal justice system isn't about proving innonecence.  At trial it's for the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty.  At appeal it's for the defence to undermine the prosecutions case to an extent 3 appeal court judges deem its unsafe.

I believe new forensic tests will result in JB's conviction being overturned. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have things to do so can’t keep answering questions that should be obvious

Of course Sheila’s footprints would have been all over the kitchen; it was strewn with blood, sugar and glass

They’d have also been on the staircase

And her feet would have been covered....

They weren’t, were they? How do you account for that, Holly?

As for Jeremy, he’d have made sure to have worn shoe covers, and would have also made sure to have wiped/smudged any traces of his footprints — that’s obvious. He’d have also removed his shoe covers before tiptoeing back upstairs in his socks...even he would have thought of that.

It’s a shame the police didn’t immediately lockdown Goldhanger and search it.

As it happens, and you’ll ask me again for a link (but you’ll have to wait as I’m busy now) but police did indeed find some of his clothing with tiny traces of blood on at Goldhanger, but there wasn’t enough for it to be tested. He’d obviously put them through the washing machine as soon as he got home...

He definitely wore his wetsuit to carry out the murders, but after showering at WHF, drying his WS, stuffing it in his old bedroom, he most likely got contaminated by the odd speck of blood on the clothes he wore when he climbed out the kitchen window

There was talk he may have dressed as a woman...but that’s just rumour as he was seen around the village dressed as woman on occasion.

He also, slyly, upturned the dishwasher drainer in an attempt to make it look like the area hadn’t been disturbed. It’s very noticeable. I haven’t used a drainer in decades, but when I did I never stood mine on its end. And June didn’t seem the fastidious type...so I bet he did that purposely.

He’s very transparent.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The criminal justice system isn't about proving innonecence.  At trial it's for the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty.  At appeal it's for the defence to undermine the prosecutions case to an extent 3 appeal court judges deem its unsafe.

I believe new forensic tests will result in JB's conviction being overturned.

Oh dear

Considering there is no forensic evidence, how’s he going to do that? Whip some up?🤪

[Holly Goodhead]

Oh dear

Considering there is no forensic evidence, how’s he going to do that? Whip some up?🤪

There doesn't need to be any existing forensic evidence to undermine test results presented at trial.

[Caroline]

Holly, these cases were incompetent, and in some cases corrupt.

Equally, there are people walking free due to the incompetence of the police...it works both ways.

But the cases you’ve highlighted are extreme, and they all had CONCRETE evidence that they were innocent, hence why they were released.

Jeremy Bamber doesn’t fall into their camp — and they’d be insulted you've lumped his in with them!

Jeremy has not a SHRED of evidence that he didn’t kill all his family — I suggest you refresh yourself with the FACTS

No, there is no evidence, that's why Holly wants to create some but she's starting from a biased position.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The criminal justice system isn't about proving innonecence.  At trial it's for the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty.  At appeal it's for the defence to undermine the prosecutions case to an extent 3 appeal court judges deem its unsafe.

I believe new forensic tests will result in JB's conviction being overturned.

What will the new forensic tests reveal, and when do you expect them to take place?  I thought Jeremy’s latest explosive piece of evidence that would prove Sheila dunnit was that there was someone alive in the house while he was sat in the police car?

[Caroline]

There doesn't need to be any existing forensic evidence to undermine test results presented at trial.

One set of test result with a different outcome won't cut it I'm afraid.

[Caroline]

What will the new forensic tests reveal, and when do you expect them to take place?  I thought Jeremy’s latest explosive piece of evidence that would prove Sheila dunnit was that there was someone alive in the house while he was sat in the police car?

They won't reveal anything and in order to be valid, the tests would have to be conducted with the exact criteria as that of the murder situation and would need to be repeated numerous times for consistency. Holly has been brainwashed by the AI forum where they all seem to think they're scientists. It's possibly the worst forum on this subject that I have ever read - Holly used to be objective until becoming a member of that rubbish.

[Holly Goodhead]

No, there is no evidence, that's why Holly wants to create some but she's starting from a biased position.

My position is no different from that which you held for many years until you decided JB is guilty as charged. 

Anyway let's desist from making any comments whatsoever  of a personal nature otherwise it has the potential to sow discord and disrupt the forum.

[Holly Goodhead]

They won't reveal anything and in order to be valid, the tests would have to be conducted with the exact criteria as that of the murder situation and would need to be repeated numerous times for consistency. Holly has been brainwashed by the AI forum where they all seem to think they're scientists. It's possibly the worst forum on this subject that I have ever read - Holly used to be objective until becoming a member of that rubbish.

I haven't seen the two tests discussed on any Internet forum.