When Madeleine is Found.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They had health problems due to never seeing daylight and panic attacks in normal rooms due to living in a small space. The boy has difficulties walking as the ceiling in the cellar was too low. Then they have the problem that their grandfather fathered them, none of them got healthcare and they were there when their mother was raped and when she gave birth. There's so much to deal with that I doubt they'll ever be able to live normal lives; better, but not normal.

What’s normal and who is the arbiter on normal?

[Miss Taken Identity]

What’s normal and who is the arbiter on normal?

Looking at the way those children lived and what they were subjected to I think we can say this is NOT normal.

It is normal to have intimate relationships with people other than family, to go to school, to play outside if health permits.. does that sound normal?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Looking at the way those children lived and what they were subjected to I think we can say this is NOT normal.

It is normal to have intimate relationships with people other than family, to go to school, to play outside if health permits.. does that sound normal?

It’s very easy to say what is not normal, less easy to describe “normal” imo.

[The General]

It’s very easy to say what is not normal, less easy to describe “normal” imo.

If you easily determine what's 'not normal', then isn't 'normal' everything else?

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you easily determine what's 'not normal', then isn't 'normal' everything else?

Describe what is “a normal life” then.

[G-Unit]

Describe what is “a normal life” then.

Most children get to go outside, to mix with their peers and to attend school.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Most children get to go outside, to mix with their peers and to attend school.

What about home educated kids?  Are they not leading a “normal life”?  Explain why you can’t lead a “normal life” after experiencing trauma or abuse.  What is “normal” anyway?

[The General]

Describe what is “a normal life” then.

Everything not described as 'not normal'.

[Erngath]

Everything not described as 'not normal'.

And " not normal" differs according to individual beliefs.
And cultures.

[The General]

And " not normal" differs according to individual beliefs.
And cultures.

But VS stated that 'It’s very easy to say what is not normal'.

However 'normal' is subjective, I know that. The Jehovah's Witnesses that attend the Kingdom Hall on a Thursday night at the bottom of my road think that they're normal and we are weird. I think they're weird. I also think they should park somewhere else.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Everything not described as 'not normal'.

So you can only describe "normal" by identifying what is "not normal".  Thanks for proving my point.  NEXT!

[The General]

So you can only describe "normal" by identifying what is "not normal".  Thanks for proving my point.  NEXT!

Hehe. NEXT! Like it. Sounds like some professional shouting for his next customer.

You stated that it’s very easy to say what is not normal, not me. Ergo, everything else is normal by default isn't it?
The determination of what is 'normal' is not solely dependent upon identification of 'not normal', but, as I pointed out, and I understand why I have to simplify the logic for you, if you have already done that exercise of determining 'not normal', given it's apparent simplicity according to your assertion, then it is a similarly simple exercise to categorise the remainder - which is default normal according to your definition and determination.

[G-Unit]

What about home educated kids?  Are they not leading a “normal life”?  Explain why you can’t lead a “normal life” after experiencing trauma or abuse.  What is “normal” anyway?

I'm surprised you're unable to grasp what normal is. Has your much relied upon common sense deserted you?

[G-Unit]

It's the opportunity to choose to do those daft things that's normal. The Fritzi's had no choice in how they lived.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Hehe. NEXT! Like it. Sounds like some professional shouting for his next customer.

You stated that it’s very easy to say what is not normal, not me. Ergo, everything else is normal by default isn't it?
The determination of what is 'normal' is not solely dependent upon identification of 'not normal', but, as I pointed out, and I understand why I have to simplify the logic for you, if you have already done that exercise of determining 'not normal', given it's apparent simplicity according to your assertion, then it is a similarly simple exercise to categorise the remainder - which is default normal according to your definition and determination.

You simply cannot have a debate without ad hominems can you?