When Madeleine is Found.

[Mr Gray]

Ahh, good evening. Welcome to the discussion.
You've, once again, palpably missed the point.
You never unravel the concept. Always reactionary.
Davel is supposing that the McCann's think their daughter is dead. I agree. But that's not what they're saying. So I supported my assertion with an example of their assertion that 'they're waiting for her'. So there's another incongruence there, in addition to the 'searching but not searching' one. Davel believes that us filthy sceptics are just using this concept as a device with which to pummel the McCann's. They're stating the opposite of what they know.

It's you who has missed the point
The McCann's don't know.. they are intelligent sensible people therefore they understand she is almost certainly dead but may be alive.....so they live in hope

[The General]

It's you who has missed the point
The McCann's don't know.. they are intelligent sensible people therefore they understand she is almost certainly dead but may be alive.....so they live in hope

But that's not what you said. You said '..i don't see any reason why the should or would want to search after teh 3/4th. It was clear by then if they did find Maddie she would be dead......best left to others'.

So....these 'intelligent, sensible' people aren't searching because it was clear that 'she would be dead'.
Which part of that is the 'McCann's don't know'?

[Mr Gray]

But that's not what you said. You said '..i don't see any reason why the should or would want to search after teh 3/4th. It was clear by then if they did find Maddie she would be dead......best left to others'.

So....these 'intelligent, sensible' people aren't searching because it was clear that 'she would be dead'.
Which part of that is the 'McCann's don't know'?

You don't grasp context do you

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ahh, good evening. Welcome to the discussion.
You've, once again, palpably missed the point.
You never unravel the concept. Always reactionary.
Davel is supposing that the McCann's think their daughter is dead. I agree. But that's not what they're saying. So I supported my assertion with an example of their assertion that 'they're waiting for her'. So there's another incongruence there, in addition to the 'searching but not searching' one. Davel believes that us filthy sceptics are just using this concept as a device with which to pummel the McCann's. They're stating the opposite of what they know.

And you don’t know how to use an apostrophe but I forgive you.  You haven’t supported your assertion that the McCanns think their daughter is alive.  You have supported the assertion that they live in hope for her return, they they don’t specify alive or dead and they don’t claim to believe she is alive in the quote you gave.  See, I can grasp concepts. 

[The General]

And you don’t know how to use an apostrophe but I forgive you.  You haven’t supported your assertion that the McCanns think their daughter is alive.  You have supported the assertion that they live in hope for her return, they they don’t specify alive or dead and they don’t claim to believe she is alive in the quote you gave.  See, I can grasp concepts.

They they do believe it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They they do believe it.

I see.  You asked them then?

[The General]

I see.  You asked them then?

You want more less ambiguous quotes, other than 'we're waiting for you'.
As I said, if Davel is correct, and apparently he always is, then they knew she was dead on the 4th.
But their stance has always been the opposite (apart from when Gerry had a cracking idea to have a world Maddie day to mark the one year anniversary of her disappearance, despite not knowing whether she would turn up the next morning).

I will concede, however, that this language is more circumspect: Mr Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry appreciate everything the authorities have done and are doing to get a resolution after all this time. It gives them hope that one day they may finally find out what happened to their daughter.'

[Vertigo Swirl]

You want more less ambiguous quotes, other than 'we're waiting for you'.
As I said, if Davel is correct, and apparently he always is, then they knew she was dead on the 4th.
But their stance has always been the opposite (apart from when Gerry had a cracking idea to have a world Maddie day to mark the one year anniversary of her disappearance, despite not knowing whether she would turn up the next morning).

I will concede, however, that this language is more circumspect: Mr Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry appreciate everything the authorities have done and are doing to get a resolution after all this time. It gives them hope that one day they may finally find out what happened to their daughter.'

If you’re searching for someone by looking in bins, ditches, crevices in the rock, wasteland etc isn’t the likelihood that if you find who you are looking for that they will be dead?  You think already deeply traumatised parents would actively seek out the opportunity to uncover the rotting corpse of their child or do you think they might prefer to leave thst to the authorities?  As I understand it, as the days progressed the parents gained a tiny sliver of hope from the fact that Madeleine’s body was not found because it gave them the possibility that she may have been taken out of town and kept alive.  How evil/stupid/deluded/insert insult of choice of them. 

[The General]

If you’re searching for someone by looking in bins, ditches, crevices in the rock, wasteland etc isn’t the likelihood that if you find who you are looking for that they will be dead?  You think already deeply traumatised parents would actively seek out the opportunity to uncover the rotting corpse of their child or do you think they might prefer to leave thst to the authorities?  As I understand it, as the days progressed the parents gained a tiny sliver of hope from the fact that Madeleine’s body was not found because it gave them the possibility that she may have been taken out of town and kept alive.  How evil/stupid/deluded/insert insult of choice of them.

No. Is that the only conceivable outcome, that she's dead now, so let's not look in bins? She may have been cowering in a corner; she may have been unconscious and incapacitated, but alive, in which case, time would have been of the essence. And is that a rational response, given that they castigated the response and search effort?

An insult....hmmmm.....let me see.......not so much of an insult.......incongruous.

[Mr Gray]

No. Is that the only conceivable outcome, that she's dead now, so let's not look in bins? She may have been cowering in a corner; she may have been unconscious and incapacitated, but alive, in which case, time would have been of the essence. And is that a rational response, given that they castigated the response and search effort?

An insult....hmmmm.....let me see.......not so much of an insult.......incongruous.

you need to read more carefully what I posted...you think I posted..
they didnt search because she was dead...
what I posted was...
they didnt search because if they found her she would be dead

if she was still alive she would have been spirited away and not still wandering around Luz

[Vertigo Swirl]

No. Is that the only conceivable outcome, that she's dead now, so let's not look in bins? She may have been cowering in a corner; she may have been unconscious and incapacitated, but alive, in which case, time would have been of the essence. And is that a rational response, given that they castigated the response and search effort?

An insult....hmmmm.....let me see.......not so much of an insult.......incongruous.

Yes I think it is by far the most likely outcome, that a young child missing after days would, if found in a ditch or a bin, be quite dead, it would certainly be the fear uppermost in the parents minds, and be quite a rational dread, not remotely incongruous as you claim.

[Robittybob1]

you need to read more carefully what I posted...you think I posted..
they didnt search because she was dead...
what I posted was...
they didnt search because if they found her she would be dead

if she was still alive she would have been spirited away and not still wandering around Luz

In your opinion!

[Mr Gray]

In your opinion!

absolutely but I think its totally rational....unfortunately it now seems the necessity to qualify posts as opinion is being ignored

[The General]

Yes I think it is by far the most likely outcome, that a young child missing after days would, if found in a ditch or a bin, be quite dead, it would certainly be the fear uppermost in the parents minds, and be quite a rational dread, not remotely incongruous as you claim.

This was 12-36 hours later, not a number of days.
So do you agree that they should stop searching because they're likely searching for a corpse?

[Mr Gray]

This was 12-36 hours later, not a number of days.
So do you agree that they should stop searching because they're likely searching for a corpse?

certainly.....but that doesnt mean that they thought maddie was definitely dead...although it is the most likely scenario