When Madeleine is Found.

[The General]

you need to read more carefully what I posted...you think I posted..
they didnt search because she was dead...
what I posted was...
they didnt search because if they found her she would be dead

if she was still alive she would have been spirited away and not still wandering around Luz

Those two statements mean the same thing, not sure you noticed. Both determine that the child is dead.

[Vertigo Swirl]

This was 12-36 hours later, not a number of days.
So do you agree that they should stop searching because they're likely searching for a corpse?

I agree with not judging a parent for fearing that they might happen across their child dead.  I don’t agree with judging parents in such a situation based on how people think they should have behaved.  I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.  Should we get all judgey on her ass too?

[The General]

I agree with not judging a parent for fearing that they might happen across their child dead.  I don’t agree with judging parents in such a situation based on how people think they should have behaved.  I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.  Should we get all judgey on her ass too?

Go on then, cite please.
And I'm not really interested in the searching or lack of it, I'm interested in the incongruent messages.

[Mr Gray]

Those two statements mean the same thing, not sure you noticed. Both determine that the child is dead.

Totally wrong of you..
One statement presumed the child is dead the other that the child may be dead

[kizzy]

Yes I think it is by far the most likely outcome, that a young child missing after days would, if found in a ditch or a bin, be quite dead, it would certainly be the fear uppermost in the parents minds, and be quite a rational dread, not remotely incongruous as you claim.

I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.

The quicker I had my daughter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.

How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.

IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Go on then, cite please.
And I'm not really interested in the searching or lack of it, I'm interested in the incongruent messages.

Cite for what? If I find whatever cite it is you request you won’t be interested anyway so what’s the point?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.

The quicker I had my daughter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.

How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.

IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.

Are you saying that after a day of your child being missing you wouldn’t be fearful that your child was dead and of finding her dead body?

[Lace]

Kate searched 5a for Madeleine, they searched the surrounding area.  They then waited for the Police which is what they should do.  No one expects the parents of a missing child to go and keep searching when the Police take over.  Did Sara Payne go out searching for Sarah when the Police took over?  NO she didn't neither did any of the other parents of missing children that I can think of.   The Police don't want the parents searching.

[Lace]

I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.
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The quicker I had my dau ghter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.

How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.

IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.

[The General]

Cite for what? If I find whatever cite it is you request you won’t be interested anyway so what’s the point?

I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.

[Lace]

I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.

The quicker I had my daughter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.

How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.

IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.

The hardest part for the parents is to sit and wait for news.   In this country we have the Liaison officer who stays with the parents to help them cope,  reassuring them and giving them information as and when they receive it.  The McCann's didn't have this it must have been horrendous for them. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.

And if I spend hours of my life scouring the internet to find it, then what?

[Lace]

It is understandable that people would say 'why didn't they keep searching'  but in reality that is not what happens.  Everyone would say 'I wouldn't just sit there and not search'  but the fact is you would be so traumatised you wouldn't be able to think straight let alone go out and do a search.  Some parents are sedated so that they are out of it completely.   It is very unfair to accuse the McCann's of not searching when you are not able  to put yourself in the position they were in.

[Lace]

I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.

Neither April Jones mother or father went out to search,  does that mean they knew she was dead?  Of course not.

[kizzy]

Are you saying that after a day of your child being missing you wouldn’t be fearful that your child was dead and of finding her dead body?

As I previously said - I would want her in MY arms either way

Like when they were searching R M house I would have been outside that gate incase they found her.

I believe the majority of mothers would do the same - to have her back either way in your arms you would feel you had her back and was now safe the first person to be there her mother.

Then face the nightmare that would unfold - where life would never be the same again

Not just sit and wait for someone else to do that for you.