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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #195 on: March 31, 2020, 03:07:32 PM »
Meanwhile in Edinburgh

“An Edinburgh consultant working at The Western General has told the BBC, the hospital is "calm, controlled and ready" to tackle the coronavirus.

According to Professor Simon Maxwell, who is also a lecturer at Edinburgh University, the hospital is quieter than ever before, with plenty of free beds available.

Despite 208 confirmed cases of potentially deadly COVID-19 in the Lothians, the consultant told the BBC, the conditions in the Western General are far from "apocalyptic."
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburghs-western-general-hospital-quiet-18011648
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Carana

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #196 on: April 01, 2020, 03:39:47 AM »
That's the case in a few other countries at the moment as well. Some hospitals overwhelmed and others with some spare capacity. The logistics of transferring critically ill patients isn't easy or quick, though.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #197 on: April 01, 2020, 12:36:21 PM »


I'm a little sceptical that any amount of standing on a doorstep clapping every Thursday is going to kill the virus.
A bit like how running around a park dressed in pink hasn't cured cancer.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #198 on: April 01, 2020, 03:49:35 PM »

I'm a little sceptical that any amount of standing on a doorstep clapping every Thursday is going to kill the virus.
A bit like how running around a park dressed in pink hasn't cured cancer.
Do you really think anyone believes clapping the NHS is going to kill the virus??  What strange ideas you have.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #199 on: April 01, 2020, 03:59:44 PM »

I'm a little sceptical that any amount of standing on a doorstep clapping every Thursday is going to kill the virus.
A bit like how running around a park dressed in pink hasn't cured cancer.

perhaps you dont think the healthworkers deserve any support and appreciation when they are putting themselves and their families at risk whilst others can stay at home on 80% pay

Offline misty

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #200 on: April 02, 2020, 12:01:32 AM »
https://www.portugalresident.com/brussels-to-choose-telecoms-operator-in-portugal-to-spy-on-people-in-lockdown/

Brussels to choose telecoms operator in Portugal to spy on people in lockdown
By Natasha Donn -1st April 2020
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The European Commission has announced that it is choosing a telecoms operator in each Member State to ‘gather citizens data anonymously through the tracking of mobile phones during the pandemic’.

The idea, says State news agency Lusa, is to “analyse mobility at a time of confinement”.

The word ‘spying’ is never used – but it is certainly the definition of ‘gathering data anonymously’.

In the hurly-burly of news reports on the daily developments of Covid-19, this appears to be one sound bite in the new Portuguese reality that somehow avoided the nation’s headlines.

SIC television news gave it space on its website late yesterday afternoon – citing answers posed by Lusa to ‘an official source’. But there appears to have been nothing actually broadcast on air.

Lusa’s information ran along the lines that “the idea is to analyse patterns of mobility, including the impact of measures of confinement on the intensity of contacts, and therefore the risks of propagation”.

According to the community source, “this type of general tracking of EU citizens would be an important and proportionate contribution for monitoring the spread of the virus, while also allowing for the evaluation of measures implemented to contain the pandemic” in each Member State.

Lusa puts the news into context. It comes a week after a video conference with telecoms bosses including Vodafone, Orange and Telefónica, called by European Commissioner Thierry Breton.

In this conference, Breton “asked companies to share anonymous metadata from users to model and predict the spread of the virus”.

The data would go to the ‘Common Centre of Investigation’ and “there would be no sharing with third parties”.

The source assures that the “data would only be kept as long as the pandemic remains active, being erased shortly thereafter”, Lusa continues. “The same source guaranteed full respect for GDPR (general data protection regulation) as well as ePrivacy legislation”.

GDPR allows for ‘exceptions’ like this to its general rules, the source explained, “in situations of public interest in the area of public health”.

Says Lusa, “it’s a flexibility that the European Commission wants to take advantage of”.

“There is no date yet for this project to move forwards, but Brussels wants it to happen as soon as possible”. The time-line is also dependent on the operators themselves.

Mobile phone tracking in terms of Covid-19 has already been introduced in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and even Singapore.

Writing only a week ago, the Independent said: “Thailand has rolled out a mobile app that anyone arriving at an airport must download to help monitor where they have been in the event that they test positive for the virus. Vietnam’s capital, Hanoi, this week also launched a mobile app to help track cases, and it could be used to enforce quarantines”.

The Taiwanese system, says the paper, is so sophisticated that it alerts police and local officials if those in home-quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones.

The international press did pick up on the enormous significance of these changes. Business Insider for example cited a industry source as warning that the world “could slide into permanently increased surveillance”.

Said the source – who has compiled an index of ramped-up security measures throughout the world – “without adequate tracking there is a danger that these new, often highly invasive measures will become the norm. Although some may appear entirely legitimate many pose a risk to citizens’ rights to privacy and freedom of expression”.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com


I hope the UK won't be part of this. Anyone else beginning to smell more than one rat?

Offline Brietta

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #201 on: April 02, 2020, 12:56:34 AM »
https://www.portugalresident.com/brussels-to-choose-telecoms-operator-in-portugal-to-spy-on-people-in-lockdown/

Brussels to choose telecoms operator in Portugal to spy on people in lockdown
By Natasha Donn -1st April 2020
 Facebook Twitter
The European Commission has announced that it is choosing a telecoms operator in each Member State to ‘gather citizens data anonymously through the tracking of mobile phones during the pandemic’.

The idea, says State news agency Lusa, is to “analyse mobility at a time of confinement”.

The word ‘spying’ is never used – but it is certainly the definition of ‘gathering data anonymously’.

In the hurly-burly of news reports on the daily developments of Covid-19, this appears to be one sound bite in the new Portuguese reality that somehow avoided the nation’s headlines.

SIC television news gave it space on its website late yesterday afternoon – citing answers posed by Lusa to ‘an official source’. But there appears to have been nothing actually broadcast on air.

Lusa’s information ran along the lines that “the idea is to analyse patterns of mobility, including the impact of measures of confinement on the intensity of contacts, and therefore the risks of propagation”.

According to the community source, “this type of general tracking of EU citizens would be an important and proportionate contribution for monitoring the spread of the virus, while also allowing for the evaluation of measures implemented to contain the pandemic” in each Member State.

Lusa puts the news into context. It comes a week after a video conference with telecoms bosses including Vodafone, Orange and Telefónica, called by European Commissioner Thierry Breton.

In this conference, Breton “asked companies to share anonymous metadata from users to model and predict the spread of the virus”.

The data would go to the ‘Common Centre of Investigation’ and “there would be no sharing with third parties”.

The source assures that the “data would only be kept as long as the pandemic remains active, being erased shortly thereafter”, Lusa continues. “The same source guaranteed full respect for GDPR (general data protection regulation) as well as ePrivacy legislation”.

GDPR allows for ‘exceptions’ like this to its general rules, the source explained, “in situations of public interest in the area of public health”.

Says Lusa, “it’s a flexibility that the European Commission wants to take advantage of”.

“There is no date yet for this project to move forwards, but Brussels wants it to happen as soon as possible”. The time-line is also dependent on the operators themselves.

Mobile phone tracking in terms of Covid-19 has already been introduced in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and even Singapore.

Writing only a week ago, the Independent said: “Thailand has rolled out a mobile app that anyone arriving at an airport must download to help monitor where they have been in the event that they test positive for the virus. Vietnam’s capital, Hanoi, this week also launched a mobile app to help track cases, and it could be used to enforce quarantines”.

The Taiwanese system, says the paper, is so sophisticated that it alerts police and local officials if those in home-quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones.

The international press did pick up on the enormous significance of these changes. Business Insider for example cited a industry source as warning that the world “could slide into permanently increased surveillance”.

Said the source – who has compiled an index of ramped-up security measures throughout the world – “without adequate tracking there is a danger that these new, often highly invasive measures will become the norm. Although some may appear entirely legitimate many pose a risk to citizens’ rights to privacy and freedom of expression”.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com


I hope the UK won't be part of this. Anyone else beginning to smell more than one rat?

A few people who I have never thought of as conspiracy theorists have voiced concerns about many aspects of the current emergency.
The thing which caused most disquiet was the proposal to suspend jury trials in Scotland; that was a bridge too far for many.  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/01/scotland-drops-plans-to-suspend-jury-trials-during-coronavirus-crisis
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #202 on: April 04, 2020, 04:09:05 AM »
Coronavirus: Trump to defy 'voluntary' advice for Americans to wear masks
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52161529

Makes me think of Carly Simon's "You're So Vain".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g

Well, the first bit of the song... defo not the romantic nostalgia part. lol

« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 04:13:51 AM by Carana »

Offline Myster

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #203 on: April 04, 2020, 06:06:30 AM »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #204 on: April 04, 2020, 08:05:47 PM »
What are the statistical risks for those without underlying health conditions?  I think pretty low?

My understanding is that without the lock down measures the NHS would be unable to cope with those who succumb as a result of existing health conditions and/or the elderly ie 70 plus.

A few younger people, seemingly healthy, have lost their lives to the virus but in absence of a post mortem it may be that the victims had undiagnosed existing health conditions.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #205 on: April 04, 2020, 08:14:34 PM »
perhaps you dont think the healthworkers deserve any support and appreciation when they are putting themselves and their families at risk whilst others can stay at home on 80% pay

Perhaps you're right.  Perhaps I don't care about doctors & nurses & such like.
Not having had to go to hospital recently, their work doesn't affect me in the slightest.
Besides, it was their career choice after all, which they made themselves, no one forced them to do it.
They knew full well they'd be treating the sick & injured & would be at increased risk of catching aids or cancer.
Christian Brueckner Fan Club

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #206 on: April 04, 2020, 08:15:34 PM »
What are the statistical risks for those without underlying health conditions?  I think pretty low?

My understanding is that without the lock down measures the NHS would be unable to cope with those who succumb as a result of existing health conditions and/or the elderly ie 70 plus.

A few younger people, seemingly healthy, have lost their lives to the virus but in absence of a post mortem it may be that the victims had undiagnosed existing health conditions.
Nothing that fake tan wouldn't fix.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #207 on: April 05, 2020, 09:05:49 AM »
Nothing that fake tan wouldn't fix.

There's nothing fake about me!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #208 on: April 05, 2020, 09:34:01 AM »
Physicians have advised him that an iffy spray tan is sufficient defence...

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-invokes-defense-production-act-to-mass-produce-gallons-of-spray-tan


I'm waiting to see the roots of the bleached thatch as it grows out............to say nothing of the DA'd back as it grows.

Offline Carana

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #209 on: April 05, 2020, 03:15:08 PM »
Perhaps you're right.  Perhaps I don't care about doctors & nurses & such like.
Not having had to go to hospital recently, their work doesn't affect me in the slightest.
Besides, it was their career choice after all, which they made themselves, no one forced them to do it.
They knew full well they'd be treating the sick & injured & would be at increased risk of catching aids or cancer.

Does that mean that you wouldn't seek hospital treatment if you did get a severe case of it? If so, it might spare a ventilator for someone else.