Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.

[Eleanor]

In my opinion it starts and finishes in Portugal.

Snip
Paulo Rebelo, based in Lisbon, takes immediate command of the inquiry, following the dismissal on October 2 of Goncalo Amaral, formerly the chief investigator, and the request by his deputy, Tavares de Almeida, to take a leave of absence.

Yesterday it emerged Mr Almeida is among three officers being investigated over allegations of torture in a seven-year old case. Mr Amaral is also under investigation, accused of concealing evidence relating to an alleged beating of the mother of another disappeared child.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/09/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

I think that must signify a singularly different type of individual assigned to head up an investigation into a missing child than would normally be expected and as far as Madeleine's investigation goes has no British parallel ... and that is without adding Cristovao to the mix.

Jesus Christ.  Do me a favour.  What on Earth is anyone supposed to make of this total aberration.

[G-Unit]

Strange that you would be promoting the idea that the PJ were completely incompetent having so often defended them in the past.

There are those who suggest that the PJ were completely incompetent and that the Metropolitan Police are vastly superior, although there's no evidence to support either opinion.

I find it strange that those same people suggest that the PJ were competent when it came to investigating the McCanns; again without any evidence of that.

There is, of course, evidence that both police forces have made mistakes and that it takes a lot of courage for individual officers to speak out against the Met.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There are those who suggest that the PJ were completely incompetent and that the Metropolitan Police are vastly superior, although there's no evidence to support either opinion.

I find it strange that those same people suggest that the PJ were competent when it came to investigating the McCanns; again without any evidence of that.

There is, of course, evidence that both police forces have made mistakes and that it takes a lot of courage for individual officers to speak out against the Met.

If you are a police force that has id’ed its key suspects the very least you expect them to do is investigate them.  At least the Met appears to have investigated numerous individuals but you are saying the PJ didn’t even bother investigating the McCanns?  That’s utterly unforgivable!

[Mr Gray]

There are those who suggest that the PJ were completely incompetent and that the Metropolitan Police are vastly superior, although there's no evidence to support either opinion.

I find it strange that those same people suggest that the PJ were competent when it came to investigating the McCanns; again without any evidence of that.

There is, of course, evidence that both police forces have made mistakes and that it takes a lot of courage for individual officers to speak out against the Met.

You are wrong...there is lots of evidence. Amarals complete failure to understand the evidence...that's factual.
None of the evidence used to make the McCann's arguido was confirmed ...fact.

The allegations against the met are not re the actual officers involved in the investigation. In the case of the PJ both amaral and almeida received criminal convictions..and both directly involved in the investigation

[barrier]

You are wrong...there is lots of evidence. Amarals complete failure to understand the evidence...that's factual.
None of the evidence used to make the McCann's arguido was confirmed ...fact.

The allegations against the met are not re the actual officers involved in the investigation. In the case of the PJ both amaral and almeida received criminal convictions..and both directly involved in the investigation

Nonsense imo,Rowley 2017:Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

[Mr Gray]

Nonsense imo,Rowley 2017:Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

You are only quoting half of what he said...

[Mr Gray]

Nonsense imo,Rowley 2017:Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

Nothing in my post is nonsense.its all factual

[kizzy]

Seems not everyone doesn't believe him




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=NKqjt9D3_1I&feature=emb_logo



Dame Cressida Dick must clean up the Met or resign

Telegraph View

13 March 2020 • 6:00am



Operation Midland was a disgrace: the Met sank millions of pounds into investigating the preposterous allegations of sexual abuse by a serial liar, Carl Beech, described by one officer as “credible and true”. One person who was briefly in charge of Midland was Dame Cressida Dick, who is now head of the entire Met.

Dame Cressida was handed an opportunity to make amends with the Henriques Report of 2016, which made a series of recommendations designed to prevent another disaster. But a new report by HM Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) suggests that a cabal of senior officers, including Dame Cressida, were slow to act and more interested in protecting the force’s reputation than acknowledging and learning from the Henriques findings.

Rather than implementing its recommendations, a special group of officers appeared concerned with the “welfare,... live investigations and civil claims” against the Met. HMIC found that little had been done to make amends for officers searching the homes of innocent men or to prevent something similar happening again.

There is also still confusion with regards to the guidance that “all victims must be believed”. Some of HMIC’s conclusions on the quality of officers are shaming: “Inexperienced supervisors, weaknesses in understanding, inconsistencies and a superficial approach to supervising crime investigations.”

Midland turned the lives of its victims upside down and rocked public confidence in the Met, and it is unforgivable that so many problems still haven’t been solved. Dame Cressida’s choice is quite simple: clean up the force, or resign.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/03/13/dame-cressida-dick-must-clean-met-resign/

[G-Unit]

You are wrong...there is lots of evidence. Amarals complete failure to understand the evidence...that's factual.
None of the evidence used to make the McCann's arguido was confirmed ...fact.

The allegations against the met are not re the actual officers involved in the investigation. In the case of the PJ both amaral and almeida received criminal convictions..and both directly involved in the investigation

It's your opinion that Amaral failed to understand the evidence, not a fact. The McCanns were made arguidos because the PJ needed to ask them questions to which the answers could be incriminating, because the evidence gathered suggested possible involvement.

Any Met officer opening his mouth about the McCann case would find him/herself in deep trouble given the sensitivity of the case. In my opinion they have all had to sign non-disclosure agreements as I suspect the Leicestershire officers did.  I doubt that Sutton would have spoken out if he was still in the job.

[kizzy]

In my opinion it starts and finishes in Portugal.

Snip
Paulo Rebelo, based in Lisbon, takes immediate command of the inquiry, following the dismissal on October 2 of Goncalo Amaral, formerly the chief investigator, and the request by his deputy, Tavares de Almeida, to take a leave of absence.

Yesterday it emerged Mr Almeida is among three officers being investigated over allegations of torture in a seven-year old case. Mr Amaral is also under investigation, accused of concealing evidence relating to an alleged beating of the mother of another disappeared child.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/09/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

I think that must signify a singularly different type of individual assigned to head up an investigation into a missing child than would normally be expected and as far as Madeleine's investigation goes has no British parallel ... and that is without adding Cristovao to the mix.

Our own UK police it seems - are not fit for purpose- any think PJ do our police can do better imo.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11129174/west-yorkshire-drugs-wars-torture-hometown-a-killing-bradford/



Citing one alleged incident, Maz claims police actually claimed to have lost files in a previous attempted murder case against Meggy.

Unable to comprehend what he was hearing, Mobeen digs into the claim and discovers reports about Meggy allegedly shooting someone in 2007, but he couldn’t find any evidence of a case brought against him.

Mobeen goes on to meet a former detective, who identifies himself as Frank. Shockingly, he backs up the claims.

Asked if police would ever 'pretend' to lose case files, Frank says: "Losing a case file is quite often used as a ploy, I know that from my own experience.”

[Mr Gray]

It's your opinion that Amaral failed to understand the evidence, not a fact. The McCanns were made arguidos because the PJ needed to ask them questions to which the answers could be incriminating, because the evidence gathered suggested possible involvement.

Any Met officer opening his mouth about the McCann case would find him/herself in deep trouble given the sensitivity of the case. In my opinion they have all had to sign non-disclosure agreements as I suspect the Leicestershire officers did.  I doubt that Sutton would have spoken out if he was still in the job.

No it's not opinion re amaral..you are wrong yet again
Amaral said in the docu...in the next 50 min I will prove the child died in this apartment...he didn't ..fact.

You need to accept you are wrong yet again

[Brietta]

Nonsense imo,Rowley 2017:Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

Please bear in mind that Amaral was sacked from the investigation which precipitately made Kate and Gerry McCann arguidos without a shred of corroborating evidence to back that decision up.

Paulo Rebelo who took over the case immediately had to take over Madeleine's case from scratch.  Amazingly having to take on checking elementary diligences the results of which should already have been known.  For example the necessity of obtaining a court order to check the CCTV images of vehicles entering and leaving Luz at the relevant time.
As well as asking for checks to be made on an unidentified DNA sample from 3rd May which quite obviously hadn't already been previously investigated.  https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO_REBELO.htm

That Paulo Rebelo's investigation had to attempt to play catch up in this way so long after the event when the precious golden hours of the disappearance of a child had been squandered by Amaral's investigation highlights either incompetence or corruption.  Take your pick.

Rebelo's investigation was competent and thorough ... in my opinion tied up all the loose ends he inherited and I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that it was to the work of this respected officer to which Rowley referred, not the very bad joke that is Amaral.

[barrier]

Original meaning:present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest.

Ringing endorsement from Rowley.

The thread is about cover ups in the MET nicely deflected by those who profess to keep the forum ticking along the right tracks.

[Brietta]

Our own UK police it seems - are not fit for purpose- any think PJ do our police can do better imo.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11129174/west-yorkshire-drugs-wars-torture-hometown-a-killing-bradford/



Citing one alleged incident, Maz claims police actually claimed to have lost files in a previous attempted murder case against Meggy.

Unable to comprehend what he was hearing, Mobeen digs into the claim and discovers reports about Meggy allegedly shooting someone in 2007, but he couldn’t find any evidence of a case brought against him.

Mobeen goes on to meet a former detective, who identifies himself as Frank. Shockingly, he backs up the claims.

Asked if police would ever 'pretend' to lose case files, Frank says: "Losing a case file is quite often used as a ploy, I know that from my own experience.”

Are you suggesting that Madeleine's disappearance has anything at all to do with the drug wars which we have been told was Amaral's area of expertise?

Is it your suggestion that police involvement with 'informers' as detailed in the link provided by you has relevance to Madeleine's case and how the Portuguese police dealt with it?

As far as I can see from your link the police successfully brought miscreants to trial in Yorkshire ... which the Amaral investigation singularly failed to do in Luz.  So what point are you making?

[kizzy]

Are you suggesting that Madeleine's disappearance has anything at all to do with the drug wars which we have been told was Amaral's area of expertise?

Is it your suggestion that police involvement with 'informers' as detailed in the link provided by you has relevance to Madeleine's case and how the Portuguese police dealt with it?

As far as I can see from your link the police successfully brought miscreants to trial in Yorkshire ... which the Amaral investigation singularly failed to do in Luz.  So what point are you making?

We will never know what GA could have achieved - but what he had was an open mind and several scenarios.

What he did wrong was criticized SY [justified imo] - six months on the job.

How long as SY been on it 7 years - what have they got no open mind just abduction.

Where have they got with that - no were absolutely no were. only involved in on scandal or another imo.