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Offline sadie

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #195 on: March 15, 2020, 02:03:38 AM »
I haven't 'studiously ignored' anything. 

The A22 does not enter or exit Luz.

AFAIK, there was no need for CCTV on the A22 in 2007.  That came when the A22 changed to being a toll road.

Did Mr Rebelo gain anything from this diligence?



No, I agree it does not.  However, Brietta never said the A22 entered Pdl . 


But, the A22 is like a motorway and it is the fast route, avoiding towns, in an easterly direction towards the Spanish border anf international flights from Faro.  PdL is only  about 6-7 miles from the A22, by the modern and fairly fast N125 and it is the obvious getaway route by motor vehicle from the Mccann flat for anyone driving away after abducting Madeleine.   One would expect CCTV cameras on thi sroute.


However it is my belief that for the initial part of her journey, Madeleine was taken by boat, probably up to Sines port, where she was transferred to a white van, cos at that distance north from Pdl she would be past any likely police checks one would think.   


The Carlos Moreira sighting at a roadside snack bar is very interesting IMO.  That portable snack bar is on the old main road and likely route from Sines up to Porto, where I think her journey finished for a while.


When we drove away from that snack bar a I took a quick snap, which turned out to be a short video of it, and the woman there went demented, shouting at me in a foreign language.   It was not Portuguese and not a Romance nor German type language.  I wonder if it was Jewish or Russian.   A language expert listened to it and couldn't trace its origin.


Sorry, I have gone off topic.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #196 on: March 15, 2020, 02:51:17 AM »

No, I agree it does not.  However, Brietta never said the A22 entered Pdl . 


But, the A22 is like a motorway and it is the fast route, avoiding towns, in an easterly direction towards the Spanish border anf international flights from Faro.  PdL is only  about 6-7 miles from the A22, by the modern and fairly fast N125 and it is the obvious getaway route by motor vehicle from the Mccann flat for anyone driving away after abducting Madeleine.   One would expect CCTV cameras on thi sroute.


However it is my belief that for the initial part of her journey, Madeleine was taken by boat, probably up to Sines port, where she was transferred to a white van, cos at that distance north from Pdl she would be past any likely police checks one would think.   

The Carlos Moreira sighting at a roadside snack bar is very interesting IMO.  That portable snack bar is on the old main road and likely route from Sines up to Porto, where I think her journey finished for a while.

When we drove away from that snack bar a I took a quick snap, which turned out to be a short video of it, and the woman there went demented, shouting at me in a foreign language.   It was not Portuguese and not a Romance nor German type language.  I wonder if it was Jewish or Russian.   A language expert listened to it and couldn't trace its origin.

Sorry, I have gone off topic.

What CCTV cameras?
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #197 on: March 15, 2020, 09:02:37 AM »
What CCTV cameras?
The ones the head cop who took over the case rues were not checked earlier.  Is Rebelo an idiot in your view?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #198 on: March 15, 2020, 09:12:22 AM »
What CCTV cameras?

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But what relevance does this have to the disappearance 170 days ago of four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz, about 280km from Lisbon?

And what does it mean for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not only had to cope with losing their child, but have also been subjects of a vicious campaign in the Portuguese press to smear them?

It is crucial for two reasons; first because it proves what international crime agencies have long suspected: that Portugal has become a magnet for predatory paedophiles from around the world, using the country's lax laws and preying on the high numbers of poor, abandoned children.

And second, because Paulo Rebelo, an urbane, methodical detective who led the Casa Pia paedophile inquiry, was last night finishing his first week as the new chief of the investigation into the disappearance of the British child.

Rebelo has replaced Goncalo Amaral, the "oafish" local police chief out of his depth in a case that has captured unprecedented world attention, with millions fascinated by the story of the girl snatched from her bed on holiday while her parents ate with friends 200 yards away.
________________________________________________________

In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.

According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.

At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".
________________________________________________________

In addition, he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts. Although by last night Rebelo had failed to make a breakthrough, sources say it is a clear sign, along with reports that Russian child traffickers may be involved, of a strand of his current thinking.

In a Lisbon café, an associate of Rebelo told the Mail: "The Casa Pia case had a deep affect on Paulo. You come across things that are appalling and cruel. But you get a feeling that there are some seriously bad people in the world, and some of them are here. He does not rule anything out."

So, after enduring months of soul-destroying leaks from the Portuguese police - from claims that they drugged Madeleine and then disposed of her body, to allegations that Gerry was not even her real father - the McCanns are no longer the sole focus of the Portuguese police investigation.

As well as growing fears that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile ring, they can have little hope of justice when leading Portuguese figures are allegedly involved in covering-up their own child sex scandal.

Both cases - the two highest profile criminal investigations in the country since the end of the Portuguese military dictatorship in 1974 - have been riven by allegations of compromised police officers, high-level interference and vicious, virulent attacks on key witnesses.
________________________________________________________

Of course, the Casa Pia case may have no direct link to the disappearance of Madeleine, but the culture in which such a serious child abuse network was allowed to operate is the same culture that pervades the whole of Portugal. Was it this attitude that led to the bungled initial investigation in the McCann case?

Perhaps the appointment of the man who exposed the Casa Pia scandal will give the parents of Maddie hope that a proper investigation will now discover the truth.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html


Your needle appears to be stuck in a grove.
I have already informed you of the request made by Paolo Rebelo for CCTV images and it appears to be perfectly clear and hasn't changed in the interim ... it is as follows ...
Snip
I request your collaboration as quickly as possible, with relation to the security cameras existing on the A22 VIA DO INFANTE motorway, if there are video recordings of these, especially concerning the time period between 21.00 on 3rd May 2007 and 07.00 of the following day, with respect to the stretch of the A22 between Lagos and the border with Spain of V.R.S ANTONIO and in the affirmative case, their preservation and delivery in digital format to this Police department is requested.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO_REBELO.htm



"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #199 on: March 15, 2020, 06:20:42 PM »
The ones the head cop who took over the case rues were not checked earlier.  Is Rebelo an idiot in your view?

I have no idea whether Rebelo is an idiot or not.  End of discussion.   &^&*%
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #200 on: March 15, 2020, 06:21:54 PM »
I have no idea whether Rebelo is an idiot or not.  End of discussion.   &^&*%
oh how sad, and I was so looking forward to another of our pleasant little exchanges.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #201 on: March 15, 2020, 06:38:04 PM »
Snip
But what relevance does this have to the disappearance 170 days ago of four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz, about 280km from Lisbon?

And what does it mean for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not only had to cope with losing their child, but have also been subjects of a vicious campaign in the Portuguese press to smear them?

It is crucial for two reasons; first because it proves what international crime agencies have long suspected: that Portugal has become a magnet for predatory paedophiles from around the world, using the country's lax laws and preying on the high numbers of poor, abandoned children.

And second, because Paulo Rebelo, an urbane, methodical detective who led the Casa Pia paedophile inquiry, was last night finishing his first week as the new chief of the investigation into the disappearance of the British child.

Rebelo has replaced Goncalo Amaral, the "oafish" local police chief out of his depth in a case that has captured unprecedented world attention, with millions fascinated by the story of the girl snatched from her bed on holiday while her parents ate with friends 200 yards away.
________________________________________________________

In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.

According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.

At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".
________________________________________________________

In addition, he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts. Although by last night Rebelo had failed to make a breakthrough, sources say it is a clear sign, along with reports that Russian child traffickers may be involved, of a strand of his current thinking.

In a Lisbon café, an associate of Rebelo told the Mail: "The Casa Pia case had a deep affect on Paulo. You come across things that are appalling and cruel. But you get a feeling that there are some seriously bad people in the world, and some of them are here. He does not rule anything out."

So, after enduring months of soul-destroying leaks from the Portuguese police - from claims that they drugged Madeleine and then disposed of her body, to allegations that Gerry was not even her real father - the McCanns are no longer the sole focus of the Portuguese police investigation.

As well as growing fears that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile ring, they can have little hope of justice when leading Portuguese figures are allegedly involved in covering-up their own child sex scandal.

Both cases - the two highest profile criminal investigations in the country since the end of the Portuguese military dictatorship in 1974 - have been riven by allegations of compromised police officers, high-level interference and vicious, virulent attacks on key witnesses.
________________________________________________________

Of course, the Casa Pia case may have no direct link to the disappearance of Madeleine, but the culture in which such a serious child abuse network was allowed to operate is the same culture that pervades the whole of Portugal. Was it this attitude that led to the bungled initial investigation in the McCann case?

Perhaps the appointment of the man who exposed the Casa Pia scandal will give the parents of Maddie hope that a proper investigation will now discover the truth.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html


Your needle appears to be stuck in a grove.
I have already informed you of the request made by Paolo Rebelo for CCTV images and it appears to be perfectly clear and hasn't changed in the interim ... it is as follows ...
Snip
I request your collaboration as quickly as possible, with relation to the security cameras existing on the A22 VIA DO INFANTE motorway, if there are video recordings of these, especially concerning the time period between 21.00 on 3rd May 2007 and 07.00 of the following day, with respect to the stretch of the A22 between Lagos and the border with Spain of V.R.S ANTONIO and in the affirmative case, their preservation and delivery in digital format to this Police department is requested.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO_REBELO.htm

You have not proved that any CCTV cameras existed on the A22 in 2007, so I'll repeat the point - there was no need for them in 2007.

Furthermore, since you have reduced the exchange to sniping, I'll repeat your erroneous claim that kicked this off, namely that there was CCTV into/out of Luz in 2007.  Using one of your favourite words, that idea is risible.

Rebelo used the word 'if'.  To KISS, he didn't know, did he?

What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #202 on: March 15, 2020, 07:02:12 PM »
You have not proved that any CCTV cameras existed on the A22 in 2007, so I'll repeat the point - there was no need for them in 2007.

Furthermore, since you have reduced the exchange to sniping, I'll repeat your erroneous claim that kicked this off, namely that there was CCTV into/out of Luz in 2007.  Using one of your favourite words, that idea is risible.

Rebelo used the word 'if'.  To KISS, he didn't know, did he?

Rebelo said... security cameras existing owayn the A22 VIA DO INFANTE motor..

so he confirms the cameras existed....the "if" refers to is any recordings still existed

Offline sadie

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #203 on: March 15, 2020, 07:25:10 PM »
I am sorry that this response is late, but for some queer reason I was barred from posting it yesterday



What evidence the evidence that doesn't add up - some a lot more in the know than you seem to have a different opinion.


McCanns evidence 'doesn't add up'
A team of British crime specialists who have scrutinised the Madeleine McCann case claim there are inconsistencies in her parents' version of events.




Prof Barclay, 62, added: "There has been a tendency to criticise the Portuguese police but on the whole they did a pretty good job.

"However, they made two big mistakes. Firstly, they did not seal of the crime scene anywhere nearly quick enough. Secondly, in my opinion they were not aggressive enough with the McCanns in the first stage of the investigation.

"It is actually for the parents' benefit in cases like this that the police tackle them robustly and demand a comprehensive account of their movements during the relevant timeframe."


Kizzy, sorry my dear, but I take little notice of Prof Barclay.  As far as i am concerned he sealed his own fate by making some huge mistakes when he visited PdL with some ?police officers.


He railroaded the group into agreeing with him and noticeably made mistakes that he shouldn't have, like viewing 5A from completely the wrong angle and then claimed (using that incorrect view!) that the Tapas group couldn't have seen the patio door to 5A.


A man of his intellect ( a professor, no less) should have realised that the place where the group viewed from was totally pertinent to whether they had a view of the patio door, or not.  He actually viewed from Rua P. de Maio.  Such nonsense, it was nothing like the view from the tapas restaurant.

He made a number of mistakes and jumped to conclusions in an unwarrented way IMO

Offline sadie

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #204 on: March 15, 2020, 09:43:16 PM »
Why would they be told to.
Covering up what?
Protecting whom?

If they are protecting anyone, it will be the powerful people behind child sexual abuse IMO.  The ones who enjoy it .. or make mega bucks out of it, IMO

The protecting Officers will likely be involved in the whole disgusting racket too, or else maybe have been bribed, or even worse, blackmailed into it.


Sorry this is late as was the last post that I sent but the Forum kept telling me that I was  timed out ... and that wasn’t true.... and wouldn't allow me to post.  Neither would it allow me to pm friends ... but would allow me to give 'likes'.  nothing more.    Very strange ! 


 I have noticed that when I have tried to post controversial posts veering in this direction, it often stops me.  Why is that ?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #205 on: March 16, 2020, 08:41:34 PM »
There are those who suggest that the PJ were completely incompetent and that the Metropolitan Police are vastly superior, although there's no evidence to support either opinion.

I find it strange that those same people suggest that the PJ were competent when it came to investigating the McCanns; again without any evidence of that.

There is, of course, evidence that both police forces have made mistakes and that it takes a lot of courage for individual officers to speak out against the Met.


and there are some who cannot stick to the thread  about NSY and its failings, but have to bring in the PJ.

It is quite clear from the link John provided that there is a serious problem with whistle blowing and corruption within the met.  If, as some supporters claim, as did the parents that paedophiles are involved then we look at two issues facing the PJ at the time of MBM's disappearance.
1. Kate saying "they've taken her"
2 their friendship with a known paedophile  (Who cheered them up during a sad time) CF.


It may well have been the PJ looked at this closer, along with the account they couldn't accept as being the truth of the acclaimed abduction. Which gave them the idea that the parents were in some way involved.

The most interesting involvement in this whole case was the government and 'celebrity' involvement of one missing child.  How many were and have continued to be on the missing persons list in the UK which doesn't have millions chucked at it? and what could the reason be for this I wonder...
« Last Edit: March 16, 2020, 08:49:48 PM by Miss Taken Identity »
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Brietta

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #206 on: March 16, 2020, 09:25:58 PM »

and there are some who cannot stick to the thread  about NSY and its failings, but have to bring in the PJ.

It is quite clear from the link John provided that there is a serious problem with whistle blowing and corruption within the met.  If, as some supporters claim, as did the parents that paedophiles are involved then we look at two issues facing the PJ at the time of MBM's disappearance.
1. Kate saying "they've taken her"
2 their friendship with a known paedophile  (Who cheered them up during a sad time) CF.


It may well have been the PJ looked at this closer, along with the account they couldn't accept as being the truth of the acclaimed abduction. Which gave them the idea that the parents were in some way involved.

The most interesting involvement in this whole case was the government and 'celebrity' involvement of one missing child.  How many were and have continued to be on the missing persons list in the UK which doesn't have millions chucked at it? and what could the reason be for this I wonder...

Name one, please.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #207 on: March 16, 2020, 09:36:27 PM »
Name one, please.

Quite a few here:

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find.html


a charity names some who are registered missing (Many from certain cultures are not registered missing)- because the government isn't spending 12 million per person..
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline kizzy

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #208 on: March 17, 2020, 10:35:44 AM »
This seems like selective investigation to me - it's not what you have done its who you are OMO



COP SECRET Police officers secretly cleared over refusal to launch probe into sex-trafficking claims involving Prince Andrew

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11175409/prince-andrew-police-cleared-refusing-sex-probe/

POLICE chiefs have secretly cleared officers of wrongdoing over their refusal to launch a full probe into sex-trafficking claims involving Prince Andrew.

American Virginia Roberts says she was taken to ­London by Jeffrey Epstein and forced to sleep with the royal aged 17 — but the Met Police TWICE declined to properly investigate.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #209 on: March 17, 2020, 11:39:23 AM »
This seems like selective investigation to me - it's not what you have done its who you are OMO



COP SECRET Police officers secretly cleared over refusal to launch probe into sex-trafficking claims involving Prince Andrew

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11175409/prince-andrew-police-cleared-refusing-sex-probe/

POLICE chiefs have secretly cleared officers of wrongdoing over their refusal to launch a full probe into sex-trafficking claims involving Prince Andrew.

American Virginia Roberts says she was taken to ­London by Jeffrey Epstein and forced to sleep with the royal aged 17 — but the Met Police TWICE declined to properly investigate.

It's in the Sun so it's suspect...the girl was 17...some might not like it but it's not against the law to have consensual sex....which it seems it was...with a 17 yr old

So why should there be a police investigation