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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #375 on: June 13, 2020, 09:08:21 AM »
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The events of the past week or so, with the McCanns being very much in the news, have triggered my memory in relation to the incident.

I've agonised for days over whether or not to contact the police about this because it is a terrible thing to accuse somebody of. It had just not crossed my mind that the child?s parents could in some way be involved in her disappearance.

I have watched a good deal of news coverage about the McCanns over the past week or so. Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children. The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr. McCann held the child that made me think. He held the child over his left shoulder with his left arm supporting the child?s weight.  https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

Notice any similarities concerning people who had saturation coverage in the media for months ... both of which occurred after Kate and Gerry were made formal suspects without a shred of evidence.

The possibility of a staged abduction is significant imo
Swab 3A was evidence imo
The Smith sighting was evidence imo
The dog alerts are significant imo
Samples collected where the dogs alerted are evidence imo

None of the above are proof beyond reasonable doubt - but "without a shred of evidence" is wide of the mark.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #376 on: June 13, 2020, 09:11:47 AM »
The possibility of a staged abduction is significant imo
Swab 3A was evidence imo
The Smith sighting was evidence imo
The dog alerts are significant imo
Samples collected where the dogs alerted are evidence imo

None of the above are proof beyond reasonable doubt - but "without a shred of evidence" is wide of the mark.
Why do you think the German police just can’t see what you can so clearly see?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #377 on: June 13, 2020, 09:17:26 AM »
The possibility of a staged abduction is significant imo
Swab 3A was evidence imo
The Smith sighting was evidence imo
The dog alerts are significant imo
Samples collected where the dogs alerted are evidence imo

None of the above are proof beyond reasonable doubt - but "without a shred of evidence" is wide of the mark.

None of what you have posted constitutes proof either individually or collectively.
Sceptic shibboleths do not mean anything more in 2020 than they did in 2007 ... don't you think it might be worthwhile to put them behind you and move on as the rest of the world has done.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #378 on: June 13, 2020, 09:19:16 AM »
Why do you think the German police just can’t see what you can so clearly see?

Maybe they can or maybe their investigation has been less than thorough.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2020, 09:31:22 AM by Brietta »

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #379 on: June 13, 2020, 09:20:36 AM »
None of what you have posted constitutes proof either individually or collectively.
Sceptic shibboleths do not mean anything more in 2020 than they did in 2007 ... don't you think it might be worthwhile to put them behind you and move on as the rest of the world has done.


I said the same in my post.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2020, 09:34:24 AM by Brietta »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #380 on: June 13, 2020, 09:57:39 AM »
Maybe they can or maybe their investigation has been less than thorough.
And maybe pigs can fly, or could if they tried hard enough.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #381 on: June 13, 2020, 10:16:16 PM »

Your theory is the McCanns hired him to hide the body isn’t it?  Maybe that’s why, because it’s too preposterous for words.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 12:07:40 AM by Brietta »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #382 on: June 13, 2020, 10:18:28 PM »
Your theory is the McCanns hired him to hide the body isn’t it?  Maybe that’s why, because it’s too preposterous for words.

I have no evidence of that whatsoever.

« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 12:32:11 AM by Brietta »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #383 on: June 13, 2020, 10:19:12 PM »
I have no evidence of that whatsoever.


But it IS your theory, despite the lack of evidence, no?
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 12:32:38 AM by Brietta »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #384 on: June 13, 2020, 10:42:57 PM »
But it IS your theory, despite the lack of evidence, no?

No. How can I have a theory with no evidence to support it? It would be a possible scenario - but without evidence that's all it is.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #385 on: June 13, 2020, 11:27:54 PM »
No. How can I have a theory with no evidence to support it? It would be a possible scenario - but without evidence that's all it is.
Of course you can have a theory without evidence and my theory is that you believe that the German was hired by the McCanns to dispose of the body (ludicrous a scenario as it is).
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #386 on: June 14, 2020, 12:04:51 AM »
Of course you can have a theory without evidence and my theory is that you believe that the German was hired by the McCanns to dispose of the body (ludicrous a scenario as it is).

I actually don't have a theory. I find the dog alerts are significant. I find the Smith family testimony is honest and compelling. I believe further DNA analysis is required on swab 3a and samples found in the hire car. I'd also ask not if the parents gave MM calpol (it's not a sedative) but if they ever gave her fenergan. I also believe MM's medical records should be handed to the PJ. I believe there is some circumstantial evidence to warrant full investigation into the German sex offender and his movements in May 2007. I am yet to be convinced that there is any strong evidence of entry or exit via the 5A bedroom window. I have not personally seen any strong evidence to support stranger abduction. I believe the T7 timeline needs to be re-examined and I'm particularly concerned by differing accounts of DP's visit to 5A at around 6pm on the day MM was reported missing and all T7 movements after that on the evening in question (and the following morning). I can't explain what happened to MM and don't have a theory supported by evidence which for me is important.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2020, 12:37:23 PM by John »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #387 on: June 14, 2020, 12:22:35 AM »
I actually don't have a theory. I find the dog alerts are significant. I find the Smith family testimony is honest and compelling. I believe further DNA analysis is required on swab 3a and samples found in the hire car. I'd also ask not if the parents gave MM calpol (it's not a sedative) but if they ever gave her fenergan. I also believe MM's medical records should be handed to the PJ. I believe there is some circumstantial evidence to warrant full investigation into the German sex offender and his movements in May 2007. I am yet to be convinced that there is any strong evidence of entry or exit via the 5A bedroom window. I have not personally seen any strong evidence to support stranger abduction. I believe the T7 timeline needs to be re-examined and I'm particularly concerned by differing accounts of DP's visit to 5A at around 6pm on the day MM was reported missing and all T7 movements after that on the evening in question (and the following morning). I can't explain what happened to MM and don't have a theory supported by evidence which for me is important.
Yeah sure.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2020, 12:38:35 PM by John »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #388 on: June 14, 2020, 12:31:35 AM »

I believe in habeas corpus and due legal process. I believe evidence should be presented and debated in court by both parties. I do have some criticism of how this is currently organised.

I don't know what happened to MM. I don 't believe we currently have enough evidence to bring charges against anyone.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 12:40:18 AM by Brietta »

Offline faithlilly

Re: Former Scotland Yard detective exposes cover up within the MET.
« Reply #389 on: June 14, 2020, 12:40:37 AM »
What has 'baffled' me about the Smith sighting is why it was never publicised by Amaral.

I would have expected the Portuguese police to hold their own press conference about the event not anyone else.

When do you think anyone outwith the Smith family and the police heard anything ... might it have been only when the files were released ... perhaps you can provide a cite for when the sighting was reported in the public domain.

Kate thought it was important enough to write about it in her book ...
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The police did not appear to feel that Jane’s sighting in Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and the man and child reported by the Irish holidaymakers in Rua da Escola Primária were related. They seem to have concluded that these were in all likelihood two different men carrying two different children (if, they implied, these two men actually existed at all). The only reason for their scepticism appeared to be an unexplained time lapse between the two sightings.
They didn’t dovetail perfectly. To me the similarities seem far more significant than any discrepancy in timing.

Every time I read these independent statements in the files ...  ...  ...  madeleine Kate McCann

What ‘baffles’ me about the Smith sighting is that the parents commissioned efits but never publicised them....instead preferring to publicise an efit of a Victoria Beckham lookalike, even though their detectives had made no effort to trace the woman or gather evidence where the incident took place.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?