The shootings in the master bedroom.

[G-Unit]

The simple fact is you dont know and cannot ever know whether or not Jeremy knew how to overload the gun.  You can doubt all you like,  your opinion really has no weight as you have no meaningful evidence upon which to base it.

Neither have those hypothesising that the gun was overloaded.

[Caroline]

I doubt anyone would be trained to overload a gun, which is what is being described. He and Pargeter shot ten shots each at a brick according to CAL. That's a magazine each.

That's not over-loading at all! And shooting at a target has what to do with the murders?

[Caroline]

Wasn't he describing unloading? He followed the correct procedure; remove the magazine then clear the one remaining cartridge from the breech. He put it back into the magazine. That doesn't mean he knew that he could leave that cartridge in there and add a full magazine too.

It really does seem that you'll argue about anything. Unless he was an idiot of course he would know. Do you honestly think that the gun came without any instructions? But you don't really need those to work out that if one bullet is in the breech, it leaves one space in the magazine and if you're wanting to maximise capacity then you would take advantage.v

[Caroline]

Neither have those hypothesising that the gun was overloaded.

That fact that Jeremy knew how to use and operate the rifle is proof, suggesting that he wouldn't know is just silly.

[G-Unit]

It really does seem that you'll argue about anything. Unless he was an idiot of course he would know. Do you honestly think that the gun came without any instructions? But you don't really need those to work out that if one bullet is in the breech, it leaves one space in the magazine and if you're wanting to maximise capacity then you would take advantage.v

I have the instructions and 'how to overload' is not in there.

[Caroline]

I have the instructions and 'how to overload' is not in there.

It's not overloading! It's common sense - never used a gun in my life and I could work out that you can load 11 rounds. Jeremy was well used to guns and Pargetter even more so. I don't think either would be wearing a puzzled look if you asked them about the 11th bullet.

[G-Unit]

It's not overloading! It's common sense - never used a gun in my life and I could work out that you can load 11 rounds. Jeremy was well used to guns and Pargetter even more so. I don't think either would be wearing a puzzled look if you asked them about the 11th bullet.

There is the small matter of the lack of evidence of overloading of course, so it's a moot point. 

[Caroline]

There is the small matter of the lack of evidence of overloading of course, so it's a moot point.

It remains a possibility so it's not moot at all.

[puglove]

There is the small matter of the lack of evidence of overloading of course, so it's a moot point.

If Sheila was responsible, the gun would have been plastered in her prints. Shoot, shoot, reload, reload, turn around, batter, batter, turn back, reload, shoot herself, oops, gone wrong, shoot again.

So. Where are her prints? Where is her sweat? Where is the blood from the fight in the kitchen?

Where is the evidence on her nightie, her legs, her hands? The spatter that would have come from Nevill and the last shots to June?

Where is the blood that she would have coughed out when her throat was shattered, but she still had the wherewithall to move the gun and shoot herself again?

[puglove]

If Sheila was responsible, the gun would have been plastered in her prints. Shoot, shoot, reload, reload, turn around, batter, batter, turn back, reload, shoot herself, oops, gone wrong, shoot again.

So. Where are her prints? Where is her sweat? Where is the blood from the fight in the kitchen?

Where is the evidence on her nightie, her legs, her hands? The spatter that would have come from Nevill and the last shots to June?

Where is the blood that she would have coughed out when her throat was shattered, but she still had the wherewithall to move the gun and shoot herself again?

I understand why batty old women want Bamber to be innocent, but when seemingly intelligent people want to set free an obvious pyscho, who would kill again in a heartbeat, it scrambles my brain.

There was never a single moment when Nevill would take his eyes off Sheila if she was holding a loaded gun. Bearing in mind Sheila could no more use that (JB'S) gun than I could grow wings and have dinner on the moon.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If Sheila was responsible, the gun would have been plastered in her prints. Shoot, shoot, reload, reload, turn around, batter, batter, turn back, reload, shoot herself, oops, gone wrong, shoot again.

So. Where are her prints? Where is her sweat? Where is the blood from the fight in the kitchen?

Where is the evidence on her nightie, her legs, her hands? The spatter that would have come from Nevill and the last shots to June?

Where is the blood that she would have coughed out when her throat was shattered, but she still had the wherewithall to move the gun and shoot herself again?

Yes, what are Bamber supporters counter arguments to these rather salient points?  I guess when all else fails blame cover up and / or incompetence to explain it.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You make it sound as if he was a rank amateur. He went with Nevill to buy the weapon at Radcliffe's, a family gunsmith of high renown, still in business today. I feel certain they'd have gone through the workings very thoroughly, and I have no doubt that they wouldn't have left until Nevill had satisfied himself that Jeremy understood them fully. I think Jeremy would have been keen to demonstrate his prowess.

It was Jeremy who actually persuaded Nevill to buy that rifle — so he was hardly a novice

[Caroline]

It was Jeremy who actually persuaded Nevill to buy that rifle — so he was hardly a novice

He actually wanted an automatic shot gun!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He actually wanted an automatic shot gun!

And why would someone who proclaimed he had scant experience in shooting; claimed he didn’t enjoy shooting; claimed he was so useless at targeting he couldn’t hit a barn door, show such interest in what rifle Nevill was buying and even encouraged him which one to go for?

He even went to the gun shop with Nevill to try and influence Nevill, so as you rightly say, Caroline...Jeremy showed a strange amount of interest in something he claimed he had no interest in 😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree that (from what I've read), Jeremy Bamber was experienced with guns and knew exactly how to use them.

I also understand that he did go with Nevill to buy the rifle used in the murders. However, AFAIK, there is no evidence that, at that point, he had planned to use it to murder his family.

So don’t you think it’s suspicious that Jeremy told the police he was an inexperienced shooter and had hardly ever used a gun, when in fact, he was hugely experienced and even won an award at school for shooting?

Why would he lie to the police?  For what?  What was he trying to hide?