Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?

[mrswah]

SC told her psychiatrist, Dr F, she thought the twins would seduce her and saw evil in both of them.  If she was having such thoughts on 6th/7th Aug why would she choose to take her life near them?

If Sheila was having some sort of psychotic "attack" that night, I doubt she would have thought too much about where she died. That is, IF it was Sheila.

[Common sense]

SC told her psychiatrist, Dr F, she thought the twins would seduce her and saw evil in both of them.  If she was having such thoughts on 6th/7th Aug why would she choose to take her life near them?

So which is it Holly? Either she perceived the alleged "fostering conversation" and her parents as a threat to her losing the boys or she thought her boys were evil.

If she thought they were all evil why choose to die near her mother or indeed, choose to die at all?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

SC told her psychiatrist, Dr F, she thought the twins would seduce her and saw evil in both of them.  If she was having such thoughts on 6th/7th Aug why would she choose to take her life near them?

That was LONG before Jeremy killed her and the family — and you know that.

Sheila said she’d had scary thoughts which is typical of someone suffering schizophrenia, and they worried her as she knew it wasn’t normal, hence why she told her psychiatrist. They weren’t long-lasting thoughts, they weren’t real events or desires, and her psychiatrist wasn’t worried by them at all as he knew these were typically disturbing thoughts that would occasionally inflict people suffering the same condition, and were of no significance. It’s quite possible that June’s constant talk of the devil, sex being a sin, Sheila being the spawn of Satan put these morbid thoughts into her head.

It would be more interesting to know what thoughts go through that psychopath’s mind, Jeremy Bamber,  when he replays the night of the murders and how he watched them all die...unlike Sheila he is sly and cowardly; he wouldn’t admit to his psychiatrist how it feels to to watch your family die as you fire bullets into their heads.

Why don’t you ask him, Holly? He may open up to you...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So which is it Holly? Either she perceived the alleged "fostering conversation" and her parents as a threat to her losing the boys or she thought her boys were evil.

If she thought they were all evil why choose to die near her mother or indeed, choose to die at all?

Good point, CS

If Sheila thought her sons were evil why didn’t she not only agree to the alleged suggestion of having them fostered/adopted, but indeed BEG June to arrange it?

Why would she kill the very people who supposedly were wanting to remove the boys from her care? She’d have jumped at the opportunity, surely?

[Common sense]

Good point, CS

If Sheila thought her sons were evil why didn’t she not only agree to the alleged suggestion of having them fostered/adopted, but indeed BEG June to arrange it?

Why would she kill the very people who supposedly were wanting to remove the boys from her care? She’d have jumped at the opportunity, surely?

I think the point really is that Sheila's state of mind can't be known so trying to fabricate a motive or trigger for her is both futile and smacks of desperation. There is simply no evidence that she would ever harm her children or anyone else.

[APRIL]

That was LONG before Jeremy killed her and the family — and you know that.

Sheila said she’d had scary thoughts which is typical of someone suffering schizophrenia, and they worried her as she knew it wasn’t normal, hence why she told her psychiatrist. They weren’t long-lasting thoughts, they weren’t real events or desires, and her psychiatrist wasn’t worried by them at all as he knew these were typically disturbing thoughts that would occasionally inflict people suffering the same condition, and were of no significance. It’s quite possible that June’s constant talk of the devil, sex being a sin, Sheila being the spawn of Satan put these morbid thoughts into her head.

It would be more interesting to know what thoughts go through that psychopath’s mind, Jeremy Bamber,  when he replays the night of the murders and how he watched them all die...unlike Sheila he is sly and cowardly; he wouldn’t admit to his psychiatrist how it feels to to watch your family die as you fire bullets into their heads.

Why don’t you ask him, Holly? He may open up to you...

It's true that when a significant other/matriarchal figure put thoughts in ones head which are different -and more importantly alien- to one's own, it may be the cause of huge conflict which can be difficult to resolve.

[mrswah]

I think the point really is that Sheila's state of mind can't be known so trying to fabricate a motive or trigger for her is both futile and smacks of desperation. There is simply no evidence that she would ever harm her children or anyone else.

No, there isn't.  There also is no evidence that she wouldn't harm them.

We can't know Sheila's state of mind, nor can we know whether it varied from day to day.  Most of us cannot understand people with severe mental health problems. It's well beyond our experience.

[Common sense]

No, there isn't.  There also is no evidence that she wouldn't harm them.

We can't know Sheila's state of mind, nor can we know whether it varied from day to day.  Most of us cannot understand people with severe mental health problems. It's well beyond our experience.

She confessed some dark and disturbing thoughts to her psychiatrist which suggests to me that she was uncomfortable about those thoughts and wanted help with them. There is no suggestion that those thoughts were not in the past or that she hadn't responded to treatment.She was medicated and her psychiatrist certainly didn't think she was capable of harming anyone which I count as evidence.

You make a good point about Mh problems being beyond our experience which makes it puzzling that Bamber supporters think they know better than Sheila's own psychiatrist and others who knew her well such as CC. 

[mrswah]

She confessed some dark and disturbing thoughts to her psychiatrist which suggests to me that she was uncomfortable about those thoughts and wanted help with them. There is no suggestion that those thoughts were not in the past or that she hadn't responded to treatment.She was medicated and her psychiatrist certainly didn't think she was capable of harming anyone which I count as evidence.

You make a good point about Mh problems being beyond our experience which makes it puzzling that Bamber supporters think they know better than Sheila's own psychiatrist and others who knew her well such as CC.

I agree with a lot of what you say. Yes, Sheila's psychiatrist and Colin would know her better than most people, IMO.


There are "Bamber supporters" and "Bamber supporters". They shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush (again, my opinion).

[Common sense]

I agree with a lot of what you say. Yes, Sheila's psychiatrist and Colin would know her better than most people, IMO.


There are "Bamber supporters" and "Bamber supporters". They shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush (again, my opinion).

I agree. I try not to tar them all with the same brush. Perhaps I should refer to Bamber supporters whom I don't mind and CT supporters whom I laugh at but are not present on this forum.

[mrswah]

I agree. I try not to tar them all with the same brush. Perhaps I should refer to Bamber supporters whom I don't mind and CT supporters whom I laugh at but are not present on this forum.

I might say the same!

I've come across some very objectionable "guilters" too.

The good thing about this forum is, that there are people on here, on both sides,  who have researched the case in great detail.

[Caroline]

SC told her psychiatrist, Dr F, she thought the twins would seduce her and saw evil in both of them.  If she was having such thoughts on 6th/7th Aug why would she choose to take her life near them?

Except that those delusions were two years before the murders and at a time prior to her having any medication or diagnosis for her illness. No one ever mentions that when they drag this up. At the time of the murders - two years later - Sheila hadn't mentioned anything about the twins and she had been switched from oral meds to injections in order to avoid a relapse.

[APRIL]

Except that those delusions were two years before the murders and at a time prior to her having any medication or diagnosis for her illness. No one ever mentions that when they drag this up. At the time of the murders - two years later - Sheila hadn't mentioned anything about the twins and she had been switched from oral meds to injections in order to avoid a relapse.

That mantra gets repeated at every opportunity, omitting that Dr Ferguson said that during her second visit, her focus wasn't her children, and every time the truth, of when it actually occurred, is told. It falls on deaf ears.

[Caroline]

I agree with a lot of what you say. Yes, Sheila's psychiatrist and Colin would know her better than most people, IMO.


There are "Bamber supporters" and "Bamber supporters". They shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush (again, my opinion).

Yes, best use a clean brush, you can get more tar on it  - Sorry, just joking! I'll get my coat 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No, there isn't.  There also is no evidence that she wouldn't harm them.

We can't know Sheila's state of mind, nor can we know whether it varied from day to day.  Most of us cannot understand people with severe mental health problems. It's well beyond our experience.

There’s no evidence Sheila EVER harmed her children. NONE. Indeed, she adored them.

We may not know Sheila’s exact state of mind on that last day, but witnesses testified how she struggled to walk; was stiff; and walked extremely slowly. The physical symptoms of her Haloperidol were evident for all to see.

Likewise, we can’t know JEREMY BAMBER’S state of mind, either...

What we do know, though, is that he phoned Julie and told her “tonight’s the night”; that he phoned the local police at 3:25am claiming Nevill had just rang him — when it was impossible for him to have done.

A child could work out who the murderer was....providing they were of average intelligence 😌